Not at all. I base the comments on the stats, on the stats. I didn't watch the game.



The intangible aspects that stats cannot pick up are obviously more important. Stats are useful for comparisons and analysing key performance indicators. Hence my commenting on the stats and not the match thread.

With respect, without actually watching the game the stats are completely meaningless. They're a decent accompaniment to assess performance but nothing more.



As has been stated above, 2 of Bailey's penalties came in the dying minutes when the game was over and they had no bearing on the outcome. In no way do they detract from his performance. yet there they sit on the stats sheet.

So your not basing your comments on much then are you.



My comments are made on the basis of the full facts i.e. watching the game.



Otherwise I keep my trap shut (most of the time) because how could I be foolish enough to go to battle with one bullet surrounded by enemies???



Food for thought.

Talk about taking the discussion of some rugby stats too seriously.

I know this isn't the point your addressing here =#FF0000but the other penalty Ryan Bailey conceded (on the first tackle after the Joel Tomkins try) gifted Wigan the cheap field position that they scored their final try from four tackles later. At 16-4 Leeds had to score next to stay in the game. Sixty seconds later it was effectively game over.



Conceding tries off of penalties are coach killers.

I've been watching alot of 80's Mike Tyson fights and the film 300 recently so I'm 'in the zone' so to speak!!!

Certainly are and I'd love some statto to be able to quantify exactly what percentage of tries come on the back of a penalty. I'd suspect it's very high.



Which was a huge cause of my frustration with our coaches apparent inability for large chunks of last year to address our ill discipline.

I still think we kept it like that on purpose

Precisely, which is why referees must arbitrate on what they see & not on reputation which we do see from time to time.

Hence, the constant moan from all fans to treat both teams the same.

I also wonder how many penalties are conceded on the 5th tackle, that must be the real coach killer.

You mean like Messrs Ganson and Senior?



Apparently players chasing back for kicks now have to get out of the way of chasers, running back in a straight line is a penalty offence.

That comment on last weeks game beggared belief.

Do you mean Andy's comment beggars belief?