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| Quote leicester_rhino="leicester_rhino"Similar situation to Chris Ashton IMO, and look where he is. Patience is the key. He may make it, he may not'"
Yes, but not everyone who goes to RU has that success. I'm not saying he couldn't, simply that it's not a guarantee, and it won't happen overnight, so it isn't the massive immediate financial carrot that some might suggest. BJB could make it in RU, but it would be far from a certainty.
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| Quote WiganEd="WiganEd"My point is only that *if* [Wigan can afford it (thru benefactors, investors or whatever - but not as a result of *debt*) [Wiganshould be free to innovate...PROVIDED...that no club is allowed to sweep up talent and have it stuck in the reserves. (i.e. keep ultra-tight squad limits)
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it's grossly unfair. [Wigan are capped, whilst we supposedly wait for Wakefield to catch up and get into a position to spend the whole cap.
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If they want the [Wigan to wait for them to make commercial advances, my first reaction is "you've had long enough and failed, tough", but if we decide to give them another chance, then OK, give them a deadline. "Average gates up 20% or you're out". This isn't actually an anti-Wakefield (or any small club) post. IF they amd the RFL are prepared to accept that [Wigan can be allowed to move forward then there's no need for such an ultimatum.
'" The game is and always will be bigger than Wigan.
The salary cap serves several purposes but one of them IS to stop a repeat of Wigan's buy everything domination of the sport in the early 1990s.
Besides which your whole premise is wrong - you seem to think that "smaller" clubs don't have any incentive to grow themselves, their crowds or their revenues due to the salary cap. That is seriously flawed logic.
This is a post that could only come from a fan of a club with a rich backer and an obsessive compulsive demand that they win every trophy every year forever.
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| Quote MjM="MjM"This is a post that could only come from a fan of a club with a rich backer and an obsessive compulsive demand that they win every trophy every year forever.'"
And yet, it hasn't come from a Warrington fan. 
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| Quote MjM="MjM"The game is and always will be bigger than Wigan.
The salary cap serves several purposes but one of them IS to stop a repeat of Wigan's buy everything domination of the sport in the early 1990s.
Besides which your whole premise is wrong - you seem to think that "smaller" clubs don't have any incentive to grow themselves, their crowds or their revenues due to the salary cap. That is seriously flawed logic.
This is a post that could only come from a fan of a club with a rich backer and an obsessive compulsive demand that they win every trophy every year forever.'"
Buying only the 13 best players in the world - which is the worst possible case scenario, in practise totally impossible (Wigan would need to by immensely rich to do that), still wouldn't give you total dominance. ( 3 injured at any one time, 3 out of form, who can even decide what 'best' 13 is anyway, etc. etc. )
Wigan skewed the competition primarily because they could have fielded 3 teams, 2 of which would have been in the top 3 and third mid-table at worst. THAT should never happen again.
What I want is clubs, any club to be able to buy *commercially attractive* stars, if there's a way to do so without debt.
Feel free to respond with cheap 'typical Wigan fan' digs, but whether you believe it or not, my argument is nothing to do with Wigan signing Billy Slater, and much more to do with Hull (say) signing Johnny Wilkinson. Which would do virtually nowt for their abililty on the pitch, but do absolute wonders for RL's profile, through news, sponsors, probably even a documentary...' Johnny does League  '. If there's a way to do that kind of thing without financial risk to the club (e.g. sponsor paying some or all of the wages) it should be allowed.
As to your point about incentive. I'm sure Wakefield would like to grow their crowds. But they seem to consistently fail. What's incentive got to do with it? They're crap at commercial development. We've tried to help, and they've still failed. Give others, like Leigh a go.
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| Quote WiganEd="WiganEd"Feel free to respond with cheap 'typical Wigan fan' digs, but whether you believe it or not, my argument is nothing to do with Wigan signing Billy Slater, and much more to do with Hull (say) signing Johnny Wilkinson. Which would do virtually nowt for their abililty on the pitch, but do absolute wonders for RL's profile, through news, sponsors, probably even a documentary...' Johnny does League
'. If there's a way to do that kind of thing without financial risk to the club (e.g. sponsor paying some or all of the wages) it should be allowed.'"
I'd go along with this, particularly if it really does result in Wilkinson turning out for Hull.
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| Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"I'd go along with this, particularly if it really does result in Wilkinson turning out for Hull.'"
If I rememeber correctly (and I probably don't)...I think his brother played League in the Northeast. Gateshead?
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| Quote WiganEd="WiganEd"What makes Wakefield any more deserving of our special treatment than Leigh?'"
Wakefield are more deserving at present as they have been awarded a SL license for the next three years whereas Leigh have not. Did Leigh even apply for one this time around?
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"And yet, it hasn't come from a Warrington fan.
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Meh, these secondary trophy winning Lancastrian clubs are all the same to me 
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| A couple of things help to prevent poaching by Union. Contracting your brightest stars on long-term contracts, and if things are working out, looking to re-sign them well before they run out. Seems to me that GH is doint this very well after the Walker/Smith experiences. Showing loyalty to young players can't but help when they consider options as well. That's why I hope Leeds don't sign another centre for next year but back Watkins and Hardaker instead.
Secondly, with respect to Leeds players, we have our very own Lee Smith who can testify that the grass may well be anything but greener in Union. We also seem to have a very tight-knit bunch of players - that will sway some people as well.
Union will probably always be able to offer more money - but the more failures that cross the better. For every Chris Ashton there's at least a couple who didn't make it.
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| Quote WiganEd="WiganEd"If I rememeber correctly (and I probably don't)...I think his brother played League in the Northeast. Gateshead?'"
Sparks is an animal. Did conditioning and fitness work for many teams in the North East. Tall, rangey, strong. Nails hard.
Johnny. If League could ever afford him, would be a success in League. He's scary quick over the first five yards, has a game brain I have only seen equalled in any form of rugby maybe twice, and he tackles like a steam train. Ask any of the Leeds Rhinos players who trained with him.
It amazes me that League fans talk of Union as this inferior game for girls and Southern types that League would dominate. And yet simultaneously talk of a game in which League players can't make it.
It's either dead easy and you go there to extend your career. Or it's not, and you go from a Great Britain League career to mediocrity having failed to make an impact. The only exception being Steve Myler. Who is frankly awesome and a pair of wingers.
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| Or they're two separate games where the skills required overlap to a certain extent, but in essence don't always translate from one to the other.
I think that most converts (in either direction) have the ability to make it, but never stick it long enough to make a good go of it
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| Think someone like Joel Tomkins has the skill pace and size to do very well in union. Agree with the above often the conversion of code takes a bit of time and people don't always give it long enough.
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