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| Quote RB="RB"2 players got sin binned in the Wigan match for dissent. Couldn't believe what I was seeing when Ganson didn't pull the yellow card out for Ablett.'"
I'd agree.
Ablett is prone to the odd tantrum here and there.
The one in the WCC this year was my particular favourite.
Someone needs to drag him to one side and tell him to shut the f up every now and then.
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| Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"I'd agree.
Ablett is prone to the odd tantrum here and there.
The one in the WCC this year was my particular favourite.
Someone needs to drag him to one side and tell him to shut the f up every now and then.'"
Not that I am dissagreeing with you.
But this is all well and good having a go at Ablett, but did anyone actually see Ablett open his mouth to the ref? Did anyone actually hear what Ablett said if anything?
His coach said he laughed at one point and got done for it.
All we know is that a well renowned idiot of a ref pulled him for dissent, and that the Sky TV commentators discussed it. It never showed Ablett saying anything on those tv pictures, and nor did it give any sound to it.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"All we know is that a well renowned idiot of a ref pulled him for dissent, and that the Sky TV commentators discussed it. It never showed Ablett saying anything on those tv pictures, and nor did it give any sound to it.'"
Perhaps it wasn't captured by the Sky cameras and microphones but Ablett was clearly the one spoken to for dissent in the 23rd minute by Ganson. The viewer doesn't need to know what was said in a particular incident to prove it happened though.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Perhaps it wasn't captured by the Sky cameras and microphones but Ablett was clearly the one spoken to for dissent in the 23rd minute by Ganson. The viewer doesn't need to know what was said in a particular incident to prove it happened though.'"
Oh dont get me wrong tvoc. I know it was Ablett who was pulled. I am asking the question that nobody saw Ablett say anything, and nobody heard what Ablett said. All we do know is an idiot of a ref who is well known for these monumenatal cockups, decided it was dissent.
Yet on the back of that Ablett is getting some stick.
If he did what he was accused of then fair enough, the coach should be giving him what for and disciplining. But I cant help but think that Ganson looked for easy prey and got it.
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| I do think that Ganson was shocking on Friday and worry not only about his consistency from game to game, but his consistency during the game. I don't think ref's have agenda's at all and do not believe that Ganson has it in for us as such but do worry that maybe sub-consciously Leeds and Wigan tend to get the worse of his 50/50 calls.
There were a number of things that I thought were odd. I am not sure why Wakey were not penalised when Ablet was picked up and put in touch. The rules are clear, if you lift a player, the tackle is over, no matter how close to any line you are! He was of course correct to penalise us for the same offence later in the game but you can see why players could get confused and frustrated!
I also thought that the Webb binning was wrong, I would have accepted a penalty, but when Wakey did not have anyone in acting half ready to take the ball how are you holding up play? It would have been interesting to see if Ganson would have panelised Wakey if Webb had jumped straight up and Wakey failed to play the ball straight away... I doubt it!
The whole on-field team missed the knock-on at the play-the-ball prior to Atkins try, so the whole Video ref decision should have been irrelevant! Which left me to beg the question about when the video ref can and can not intervene in on-field play? We can take a video ref descison back to the last play the ball before the try, that is clear, but Ganson did not ask him so he did not lookat it, ok so we were unlucky, but with the head-high report, how come Ganson admits to Ablet that the on-field team did not see it, so he must have had a call from the video ref based on the Sky reply and puts him on report. I thought after 'Ganson Gate' this was not allowed, period!!!
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Oh dont get me wrong tvoc. I know it was Ablett who was pulled. I am asking the question that nobody saw Ablett say anything, and nobody heard what Ablett said. All we do know is an idiot of a ref who is well known for these monumenatal cockups, decided it was dissent.
Yet on the back of that Ablett is getting some stick.
If he did what he was accused of then fair enough, the coach should be giving him what for and disciplining. But I cant help but think that Ganson looked for easy prey and got it.'"
Exactly, we KNOW what he is like, the players KNOW what he is like, so don't do anything. Don't backchat and don't laugh right in his face after he's just given a decision. It doesn't really matter what Ablett said. He shouldn't be saying anything - he's not the captain.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Oh dont get me wrong tvoc. I know it was Ablett who was pulled. I am asking the question that nobody saw Ablett say anything, and nobody heard what Ablett said. All we do know is an idiot of a ref who is well known for these monumenatal cockups, decided it was dissent.
Yet on the back of that Ablett is getting some stick.
If he did what he was accused of then fair enough, the coach should be giving him what for and disciplining. But I cant help but think that Ganson looked for easy prey and got it.'"
When Sinfield asked Ganson what Ablett had said, making it perfectly clear he wanted to know so he could talk to the player about it, Ganson mentioned that he'd "been disputing the decision and stuff", i.e. he didn't give anything remotely specific. Make of that what you will.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"His coach said he laughed at one point and got done for it.'"
In which case he should have learned from Sam Tomkins the week before, who got binned for giving the referee a thumbs up to confirm that he understood the explanation for a decision.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Oh dont get me wrong tvoc. I know it was Ablett who was pulled. I am asking the question that nobody saw Ablett say anything, and nobody heard what Ablett said. All we do know is an idiot of a ref who is well known for these monumenatal cockups, decided it was dissent.
Yet on the back of that Ablett is getting some stick.
If he did what he was accused of then fair enough, the coach should be giving him what for and disciplining. But I cant help but think that Ganson looked for easy prey and got it.'" It is IMO worse to suggest that Ganson was looking for easy prey when you don't know what was said than to give Ablett stick for getting pulled up.
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| Quote Inflatable_Armadillo="Inflatable_Armadillo"The whole on-field team missed the knock-on at the play-the-ball prior to Atkins try, so the whole Video ref decision should have been irrelevant! '"
I don't think that was a knock on anyway, although Peterson clearly did from the resulting kick.
Quote Inflatable_Armadillo="Inflatable_Armadillo"but with the head-high report, how come Ganson admits to Ablet that the on-field team did not see it, so he must have had a call from the video ref based on the Sky reply and puts him on report. I thought after 'Ganson Gate' this was not allowed, period!!!'"
Ablett? Was that the one where Lauitiiti made contact with Peterson in the first half?
The video ref isn't supposed to interject unless requested to do so by the match official. As Peterson was down injured I'm sure Ganson was more than capable of instigating that conversation.
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| He didn't change his decision either, he still gave a scrum down but put the incident on report. I'm sure if he hadn't the match commissioner would have asked for it to be looked at anyway.
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| Quote finglas="finglas"It is IMO worse to suggest that Ganson was looking for easy prey when you don't know what was said than to give Ablett stick for getting pulled up.'"
Why? Ganson is well known for making up things on the rugby field, so it is not so silly to suggest he might have made something up about what Ablett did.
Had it been another ref, I wouldn't have even quiestioned the decision. But Ganson is a bit of a "cry wolf" scenario now.
Do you know what Ablett said? Can you say with confidence that he disputed Gansons decision? I dont believe you can, just like me. Therefore I am not going to critisize Ablett for something that I know there is a big chance on that Ganson got it wrong.
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