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| Half of me wants to get my season ticket back to show solidarity with the South Wales based fans and half wants to stay behind the club.
I am also not sure whether I just want to save money and get behind the Neath club even if it is a feeder club to Crusaders. I would much prefer it if the club was independent and based at Bridgend as I feel Brewery Field Limited were the best people for the job, but if that is the best opportunity to watch rugby league then that is about my easiest option.
Not sure what to do. Crusaders offering money on season tickets back in letters by all accounts. Can think of a lot to respond with and will cross that bridge when the letter apologising for the move come through the post.
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| Quote crucrucrusaders="crucrucrusaders"Half of me wants to get my season ticket back to show solidarity with the South Wales based fans and half wants to stay behind the club.
I am also not sure whether I just want to save money and get behind the Neath club even if it is a feeder club to Crusaders. I would much prefer it if the club was independent and based at Bridgend as I feel Brewery Field Limited were the best people for the job, but if that is the best opportunity to watch rugby league then that is about my easiest option.
Not sure what to do. Crusaders offering money on season tickets back in letters by all accounts. Can think of a lot to respond with and will cross that bridge when the letter apologising for the move come through the post.'"
Would you watch both clubs, or just one or the other? Personally, I think you should chuck your weight behind the South Wales side and support your region, though if they are to be 'linked' with Wrexham Crusaders then it would kind of defeat in the object in my eyes.
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| That's the problem, it seems to be a development club for Crusaders so it is good but it will have a glass ceiling stopping the club from succeeding, so to speak.
As long as Mike Turner is dropped by the Wrexham club, and if he isn't straight away I'm pretty sure he will be when they see what he is about, then all the people who couldn't run Crusaders down here will be gone.
I am thankful in a way to Moss for buying us but less happy about the relocation. In a way giving my season ticket back would be harming his club and not protesting as such against the real cuplrits Samuel and Turner. As you say the links with Crusaders and the Championship 1 Crusaders would mean supporting the development club would also be supporting Crusaders indirectly.
I think I will go and enjoy my Super League while I can without thinking too much about it. I'll also try to catch the development club down here as I feel this is where most of our young players will come from, no doubt, and want to support that.
I've thought too much about all of this these past few months and when it is official it will be a big relief for me either way. I have felt like my head is going to explode lately with all the rugby league stuff going on in it. I won't be sticking with Crusaders and rugby league for the owners or the RFL in any way though but for the game, the players and most of all the fans. The fans are what make it what it is and I want to be part of that.
See you in 2010.
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| Quote crucrucrusaders="crucrucrusaders"That's the problem, it seems to be a development club for Crusaders so it is good but it will have a glass ceiling stopping the club from succeeding, so to speak.'"
Exactly the problem that we face in the Championship. Not sure whether you'll agree with this, but I think the people of Neath won't get behind a club that is seen only as a feeder to one based at the other end of the country. They need to be a separate entity of their own and harbour their own ambitions rather than effectively operating as a Crusaders reserve side.
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| Quote Leyther_Matt="Leyther_Matt"Would you watch both clubs, or just one or the other? Personally, I think you should chuck your weight behind the South Wales side and support your region, though if they are to be 'linked' with Wrexham Crusaders then it would kind of defeat in the object in my eyes.'"
Not neccersarily if most of the crusaders fans started supporting the neath club the rfl would be forced to relocate the club to south wales within a season or two.
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| Quote pyeman="pyeman"Not neccersarily if most of the crusaders fans started supporting the neath club the rfl would be forced to relocate the club to south wales within a season or two.'"
In which case you'd be left with just a Super League on it's own again. If the RFL are serious about having two clubs in Wales, then they have to operate on a completely separate basis.
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| Quote Leyther_Matt="Leyther_Matt"In which case you'd be left with just a Super League on it's own again. If the RFL are serious about having two clubs in Wales, then they have to operate on a completely separate basis.'"
Hopefully the rfl in such a case would keep a championship side in north wales. With the two clubs being linked the sl side needs to suceed, but i really cant see it surviving in north wales.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"And how would that have retained a SL club in South Wales? If the RFL hadn't been happy with the financial side of the franchise application and refused the Crusaders, do you think Leighton Samuel would have stuck around for another three years in a semi-pro competition?'"
Blackmail from a wealthy benefactor is hardly a solid reason for offering a franchise. If it was evident that Crusaders were so dependant on one person, then the RFL should've demanded a guarantee similar to the one offered by Stephen O'Connor at Widnes, as a condition of the franchise.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"And how would that have retained a SL club in South Wales? If the RFL hadn't been happy with the financial side of the franchise application and refused the Crusaders, do you think Leighton Samuel would have stuck around for another three years in a semi-pro competition?'"
It is clear that the SL application was built on the financial backing of one man. In a case like this I would expect A) for the club to have some reserves in the bank B) to show they had sponsors lined up C) that they aren't reliant on gate receipts for a large chunk of their income and finally, and most importantly in a scenario like this the financial backer guarantees his backing for the life of the licensce ie 3 years or if he pulls the plug he has to pay back the RFL grant paid out over the period of time ie in this case 1 year. The RFL is "investing" the grant in the new club and as such deserves some security of tenure of the financial backer.
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| Quote pyeman="pyeman"Hopefully the rfl in such a case would keep a championship side in north wales. With the two clubs being linked the sl side needs to suceed, but i really cant see it surviving in north wales.'"
Exactly why the two clubs need to be separate, and then only the individual clubs are responsible for how they progress, rather than having to rely on each other.
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| Quote Leyther_Matt="Leyther_Matt"Exactly why the two clubs need to be separate, and then only the individual clubs are responsible for how they progress, rather than having to rely on each other.'"
I very much agree, but these are the cards that have been dealt
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| Quote Grendel="Grendel"So that's it then.
Rugby League has been taken off Bridgend. We all knew about the Wrexham Crusaders.
But the preferred option of an independent club in Bridgend appears to have been binned, in favour of the RFL's option of a Crusaders sub-club in Neath.
All the Wrexham Crusaders' "on the road" games where they "spread the word" will be at Neath. Nothing for the home of Rugby League in Wales.
So that's it. I'm out. Out of the Wrexham Crusaders, out of the Neath side, out of Rugby League.
Leighton Samuel has killed my passion for both codes, aided and abetted by the gutless lack of vision and incompetence of both governing bodies.
I never understood why you lot deride the RFL so much. I do now.
I have to say, of the two codes, ON the field League is FAR superior, especially given the new game-killing rules Union has just introduced.
But I just can't enjoy it without a side to support and the RFL AND WRU both seem to hate Bridgend.
So good luck to you and your teams, but for the first time in over quarter of a century, rugby is no longer a part of my life.
(The usual suspects are very welcome to come on here and deride the post, but I won't see it because I'll be gone and if I can figure out how to delete my account it'll be gone too.
Bye Rugby League, it's been a fun few years.
All the best,
Grendel'"
I second that im sticking to our beloved rugby union, being an armchair fan of Wrexham Moneychasers and wire and will try and get to 1 or 2 wire games.
We have blown our chance to start league down here lot are people are annoyed and wont back either team now.
All the union told u so are having a field day down here..!!
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