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| Quote ExiledWool="ExiledWool"Scrap the whole thing and have a meaningful international instead'"
I agree scrap it, or exclude it as a superleague fixture. Are we the only sport that play teams home and away then ADD ONE for novelty value (in the name of advertising the game).
If they want a wacky weekend make it a constructive double header international one involving England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales..............each year played at a different venue like Manchester, Dublin, Edinburgh or Cardiff.
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| Does no one recall the constant thread on here every year complaining about the extra derbies for Millennium Magic being yet one more reason (alongside it being in Cardiff) why the weekend was an outrage and doomed to failure?
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| Quote Doseymarker="Doseymarker"I've been pushing for it to be the fifth round of the cup for a while.
It just makes sense.
It makes it extra competitive (winners & losers not just 2 points), =#BF0000gives players from last years top 8 an extra game rest, no lopsided comp and includes lower league fans whilst also giving clubs outside SL a realistic ambition to make a big occasion.
Even if the Beeb only showed 2 games with highlights of the others could be a great spectacle.
=#4000FFFairly simple to pick the top 8 plus 8 places as soon as SL finishes and pick the days which is when MM is usually drawn.
DAY 1
4 Hull K R V 9
12 V 3 Huddersfield
7 Castleford V 1 Leeds
10 V 16
DAY 2
8 Warrington V 15
13 V 5 Wakefield
11 V 2 St Helens
14 V 6 Wigan
=#00BF00Based on the current draw and seeding last years top 7 plus wire the MM fixtures could currently look like this based on a random draw after a 3rd Round.
4 Hull K R V 9 Halifax v Batley Bulldogs
12 Harlequins RL v Toulouse V 3 Huddersfield
7 Castleford V 1 Leeds
10 Barrow Raiders v Hunslet Hawks V 16 Widnes Vikings V Lezignan
8 Warrington V 15 Hull v Blackpool Panthers
13 Crusaders RL v Catalans Dragons V 5 Wakefield
11 Bradford Bulls v Leigh Centurions V 2 St Helens
14 Salford V Featherstone V 6 Wigan
Play the fourth round a month before MM at the latest & the order of the games on the day could be decided then.
It would be more like the premiership finals days which were great rather than the trudge for an extra fixture its become.
However it looks like dying a death this year.'"
=#BF0000How would transplanting 7 SL fixtures with the CC round 5 games give the top 8 teams' players a rest? Most of the top 8 teams make the 5th round of the cup each year. Are you suggesting that these clubs should rest their first team in round 5 and risk a cup exit? I can't see them going for that.
=#4000FFWhat has this to do with the Challenge Cup. The participants in round 5 are decided by the results of round 4 so what is all the top 8 and extra 8 places business?
=#00BF00You seem to have 3 or 4 teams competing in the same games here. Why? Random draw after a 3rd round of what? The CC doesn't use seeding during draws. Is this still meant to be part of the CC competition as well as Magic weekend? It doesn't seem to be that in any way
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| Cardiff is the perfect venue for this type of event - had we been in Cardiff this year, I would certainly have been there.
I've heard the arguments against Cardiff as a location but from a personal point of view I've been to Cardiff for every CC Final and Magic Weekend and never had trouble getting decent price city centre accommodation.
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| Quote ExiledWool="ExiledWool"Scrap the whole thing and have a meaningful international instead'"
Got it spot on, for me.
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| I understand that the clubs want to get rid of the weekend altogether and move one round of the comp from Easter.
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| If its going to carry on it needs to go back to south wales.
I agree about the unfair fixture list. In 2008 we played saints 4 times, they finished top! Leeds 3 times, finished second, and Catalans 3 times, they finished 3rd. How is that a fair fixture list?
I love the idea but it is unfair.
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| Quote Odemwingie="Odemwingie"If its going to carry on it needs to go back to south wales.
I agree about the unfair fixture list. In 2008 we played saints 4 times, they finished top! Leeds 3 times, finished second, and Catalans 3 times, they finished 3rd. How is that a fair fixture list?
I love the idea but it is unfair.'"
The fact that Wigan played all those teams that many times was a large part of where they finished
I still think my Royal Rumble idea is better. Start with 13 players from each side on the pitch, one ref. Ball is pumped high into the sky and when it drops it's play on. Anyone being tackled has to leave the arena. Real entertainment and you'd get 70,000 people and more publicity than if David Beckham shagged Mylie Cyrus and Jordan on live tv.
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| Quote Odemwingie="Odemwingie"If its going to carry on it needs to go back to south wales.
I agree about the unfair fixture list. In 2008 we played saints 4 times, they finished top! Leeds 3 times, finished second, and Catalans 3 times, they finished 3rd. How is that a fair fixture list?
I love the idea but it is =#FF0000unfair.'"
Since when was RL fair ?
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| Quote Ian P="Ian P"I understand that the clubs want to get rid of the weekend altogether and move one round of the comp from Easter.'"
I hope so. I always assumed the argument in favour of two games over Easter was the opportunity to pull bumper holiday crowds, but we now seem to have coaches trying to pull strings to get their Good Friday game brought forward to Thursday night to give more recovery time before the second match, which defeats the object and makes it more difficult for a lot of people to see the match. The intensity of the game at Superleague level these days makes it optimistic to expect teams to play two full blooded matches with only two days off in between and still serve up a top class spectacle both times.
The Magic Weekend was less illogical when the Magic games constituted one of five additional rounds, but now it's the only additional round on top of everyone playing each other home & away, it looks a bit daft to me.
Cardiff was a uniquely appropriate venue - stadium right in the heart of a compact city centre, covered pitch so no worries about 48 hours of rain rendering the later games a farce. I enjoyed my weekend in Edinburgh last year, but the rugby itself somehow seemed almost incidental.
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| Since Ive always pushed the last 16 idea I thought for a change I'd put the fixtures in.
Quote wiganermike="wiganermike"=#BF0000How would transplanting 7 SL fixtures with the CC round 5 games give the top 8 teams' players a rest? Most of the top 8 teams make the 5th round of the cup each year. Are you suggesting that these clubs should rest their first team in round 5 and risk a cup exit? I can't see them going for that.
Right IF the top 7 plus CC winners are given a BYE to the fifth round THEY DONT PLAY IN THE FORTH ROUND.
NO TRANSPLANTING OF SL FIXTURES THIS IS THE CUP and we scrap the current round of MM fixtures.
For the top clubs this would reduce the fixtures by a minimum of 1 game , but realistically 2 if you assume they made the fifth round anyway.
=#4000FFWhat has this to do with the Challenge Cup. The participants in round 5 are decided by the results of round 4 so what is all the top 8 and extra 8 places business?
THE TOP 8 go straight into the fifth round.
The first set of fixtures is the initial draw made for the fifth round as soon as SL finishes to give a long lead time for buying tickets, planning etc.
The other 8 are the winners of the fourth round games but their position in the draw is drawn at the fourth round stage again to give a longer lead time for buying tickets, planning etc.
This is the second set of fixtures.
They are the same fixtures so no teams play twice.
I`m aware the CC doesn't use seeding but it does introduce higher ranked teams at later stages.
=#00BF00You seem to have 3 or 4 teams competing in the same games here. Why? Random draw after a 3rd round of what? The CC doesn't use seeding during draws. Is this still meant to be part of the CC competition as well as Magic weekend? It doesn't seem to be that in any way'"
I think the magic concept is good for both the growth of the game and as an opportunity to poke through into national coverage.
But it doesn't quite work on the field for me and at its heart should be the element of knockout competition that the cup brings.
As an extra set of SL fixtures its unbalanced.
To give a minimum of 2 national league sides the opportunity to reach a another showpiece event and be inclusive adds another dimension and it would have the potential to be celebration of RL that since the wembley move back the CC final lacks a bit.
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| Why would they need to be given a bye? That's just contrived and stupid. Just have a straight competition as now and reduce SL to 26 rounds. Then everyone gets a week off.
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| if the RFL are not losing money on this event & between 30/40 thousand are turning up to watch it live,how is it failing?
it seem to me the only problem with the event is the promotion in the host city.
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| I would like to see the Magic Weekend return to the derby format like I mentioned in a previous thread they are not alot of fixtures that are eye catching and that maybe a turn off for people wanting to go, as for the stadium and the city it is hosted in I cant really say untill I go to Edinburgh next weekend however I went to Cardiff two years ago and enjoyed it, and as for what date the event is staged it dosent bover me that it is staged on the May day bank holiday however like alot of people have said it would be great as opener to the new Super League season.
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