15 years....so most of the guys we have on our books who are cockneys were about 7 or 8 when SL started.......what did you expect...Super League team day 1.....hundreds of league players good enough found in stepney day 2

Not having a dig at Quins I'm trying to show the troll that the comparison cannot be made yet i.e. Crusaders in SL for less than two seasons being compared to a team that has been there for years.



Do you need help putting the toys back in

probably. i saw something fly towards cornwall and it can't be a plane.

OK....a slight knee jerk by me....comes from having to deal with the self apointed "experts" on the NRL boards.........god, I could never be a nursery teacher....my nerves would be frazzled.

Anyway, I agree that Crusaders need at least 10 years to start bringing players through......but I wonder what Wakeys excuse is? Not knocking them either, just wonder what their own fans think of a team made up of non-local players?

Feel free to remind us of the massive contribution huddersfield make to bringing players through the ranks. You had 2 club developed players in your 17 last week, magnificent effort

Devils Advocate here......but the OP states "UK federation trained"......



Whilst Quins had only 2 non fed trained players, we have picked up scraps from the tables of others as well as blooding local guys...which I believe is the way in which the RFL intended clubs to go. That said, if Wakey have broken no rules, then good luck to them. I seem to recall their youngsters doing well last year....so they ARE building for the future it would seem.

I understand the OP, but it's just another pop at other clubs from a giants fan. They crop up everwhere having a go at clubs as if they've dominated SL and contribued massively to development of younger player's, when in actual fact its just Mr Daveys cheque book that is getting them to where they are at the moment,not that he's seen much of a return for all his cash yet.

The Sport could do with a few more Mr Davey's IMO. People like David Hughes (even though I disagree with some of what he does) who are willing to hand over their hard earned to keep clubs going and help them grow.

by way of contrast leeds v hull gave a uk trained return of 24 out of 34 players including an all british back division fielded by hull

Point taken, but its hardly sustainable is it?Being at the whim of some rich benefactor is not a business plan in itself,this is the road that football has taken and look where thats leading. I know our game has taken steps to prevent us following suit,but at the end of the day it does not benefit the sport because what happens if the rich guy thinks sod this i'm off when the end result doesn't match up with his expectations(

and this doesn't only apply to Huddersfield).

The Artist makes a good point about the LeedsvHull game with a lot of these players being uk and locally brought through the system. Is it a coincidence that these are the two most profitable clubs in SL?

Nope, but Mr Davey will see a return eventually. Look at 50,000 over 6 games so far and compare it to 2005's average of 5.3k........that's nearly 20k more bodies at 3.3k a game....and these people, regardless of free ticket offers and cheap ST's will keep coming back. That's 3,300 more opportunities at every game to sell merchandise, ST's, Beer, Food etc......Mr Davey didn't get wealthy by giving cash away. He knows exactly what he is doing.



Huddersfield v Leeds....2000. Attendance 5,019...

Huddersfiels v Leeds....2010. Attendance 10,116...



Whilst the team may be a mismatch of players trained all over the shop, he now has a team that challenges the best and attracts decent gates....what I wouldn't give for some of that in London.

This thread is irritating. The OP has made an opinion based on one fact and will not change it even when presented with other more informed facts.



The most annoying one is "Crusaders have been going for 5 years". Yes, this is true. However, 3 of those years were outside of SL. So the "5 years" is irrelevant, it's just to try and add weight to a poor argument. They can't recruit SL players when in NL2 can they?



Other arguments:

"They've had since Spring 2008 to recruit...". Last time I checked, it was July (Summer) 2008 that they were granted a license (which I'm guessing is the date you are referring to). However, again this is just adding weight to a poor argument. Everyone who is everyone knows that Crusaders have only been able to recruit properly for this season as of January, when the move was confirmed. It's next to impossible to recruit players if these players don't know where (or if) they'll be playing.



"British clubs, British players, blah blah...". The point of having a Welsh club was to produce Welsh players for a Welsh national team. Having English players in a Welsh team is about as useful to Welsh RL as having Aussie players.



"Recruit...." Should clubs not produce anymore? Is that not a factor? Are you suggesting that, when in Bridgend, Crusaders should have recruited a majority British squad (which would have been majority based in the M62 corridor as they haven't had time to produce any players yet)? How many British players are there of this quality? And how many British players do you expect would be willing to relocate hundreds of miles to the South of Wales? This is the same situation that Quins found themselves in, but now are PRODUCING their own players (after years in SL), so now they are in a position you yourself find is favourable (yet look at where they are in the league...).



Basically you are twisting arguments to suit your opinion, rather than forming an opinion based on arguments. If you have the answer before working out the theory, most of the time the answer won't be any good!