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Fair point on the sarcasm.
However I cannot vent my frustration only at Holdsworth. I do not like to vent anything to individual players on here (bar one, recently, and now very regretted) but one player referred to in posts referring to this match did cop a lot of loud criticism during the match.
When I see Clay, Smith and other backs running their blood to water, when I see certain forwards obviously hurt and tired but trying to fill in for others ,, it's the others who get my ire. And there were two who did.
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The only comment I'll make about Holdsworth is that he is not leadership material and the decision to make him captain is merely one in a long line of dense decisions at the club.
On the pitch he neither leads by example or by communication. He comes across as a follower. Friday night was a prime example of where a leader was needed. The poor start and the mounting scoreline in the first 10 minutes needed him to stand up and tell a few home truths and get the players going. Instead he looked like one of the players who needed someone else to lift him. A captain motivates himself as well as those around him.
Holdsworth is a good player but he's not a captain.
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I think that if Adamson were a certain start he'd be the ideal captain, very elloquent off the pitch and vocal on it. I don't know but I think that next year Patton will get the job and take some of the weight of DJ's shoulders.
FFIW JD had an average game but unfortunately he wasn't the only one to do so. Do though disagree about him being the scrum half we've had in a while as i'm not convinved he is a srcum halve as he seems to be very slow getting around the park.
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| Quote Michigan red="Michigan red"I think that if Adamson were a certain start he'd be the ideal captain, very elloquent off the pitch and vocal on it. I don't know but I think that next year Patton will get the job and take some of the weight of DJ's shoulders.
FFIW JD had an average game but unfortunately he wasn't the only one to do so. Do though disagree about him being the scrum half we've had in a while as i'm not convinved he is a srcum halve as he seems to be very slow getting around the park.'"
Luke though seems to have regressed and plays like a prop rather than a second row. Good lad mind and agree should he up his game.
DJ I feel would be better suited to #13 and bring Ratch into #6 with Matty @ 7. Would be an excellent attacking force I feel with that little triangle. |
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Luke though seems to have regressed and plays like a prop rather than a second row. Good lad mind and agree should he up his game.
DJ I feel would be better suited to #13 and bring Ratch into #6 with Matty @ 7. Would be an excellent attacking force I feel with that little triangle.'"
Like the idea of DJ @ 13 as he always strikes me as being a little on the large side for a halve back, but then you think the fact DJ isn't the best tackler would stop him being a really good lock.
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| Quote Lyrad Red="Lyrad Red"Since the Super League 16 started its been mentioned a fair few times how DJ doesnt like getting his shorts dirty...
Tonight simply confirmed those comments. He single handedly lost us the game.
The missed pass which led to (MOM) Matty Smith chasing back at jaw dropping speed, then us being short in the corner and conceding a try, was the turning point in the game, and simply turned all our hard work to get back into the game into wasted effort.
Up to that point a comeback was on the cards, but that try simply put the game out of our reach and gave Hull time to collect themselves. Take nothing away from Hull, they came to play & not having the ball in the first 10 minutes didn't help either but that was a massive turning point in the game, us building pressure then our captain turning position over.
I hope it was simply just a one off, but having a decent scrum half involves getting stuck in and trying to break the line, not throwing the ball away in any direction like it's a piece of turd every time the opposition puts his hand on you. His decision making tonight was one of the worst i've ever seen from a Salford player, and if those sort of antics continue surely his captaincy has to be reviewed. Resting on your laurels after securing a 3 year contract simply isn't acceptable, especially when the team around you are looking for guidance and getting stuck in.
Overall we displayed a spirited performance and 16/17 players deserved to be on that pitch tonight with some not having their best game but those 16 giving 100%. Dare I say if Mr Holdsworth were at, Wigan, Warrington or Saints, he'd find himself on the bench next week.
On a positive note, what a cracking display Adam Clay's putting on with 5 try's in 3 games, With Henry fit I think Vievers is going to have a little selection headache
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| Quote Hillbilly_Red="Hillbilly_Red"As for your first question, it depends where you were. I was at the Willows watching Salford.
As for the kicks ... as I stand opposite the "25/35 metres area" towards the family stand and opposite the posh seats, I witnessed 5 different kicks in 6 attacks. All opposite me.
So where were you? I too can be ironic.'"
Never mind the kicks weres the chase on one example i sore ratchford chaseing the kick while the other lot were wodleing towards the ball. And when we are turned around and patten, broughton picks up the ball from a kick there is no support. |
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| Quote salford reds dan="salford reds dan"Never mind the kicks weres the chase on one example [ui sore ratchford [/uchaseing the kick while the other lot were wodleing towards the ball. And when we are turned around and patten, broughton picks up the ball from a kick there is no support.'"
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Luke though seems to have regressed and plays like a prop rather than a second row. Good lad mind and agree should he up his game.
DJ I feel would be better suited to #13 and bring Ratch into #6 with Matty @ 7. Would be an excellent attacking force I feel with that little triangle.'"
lets get a few things right luke cant pass steff his going |
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| Quote ste nash="ste nash"lets get a few things right luke cant pass steff his going'"
Not much wrong there ste - I said had regressed - earlier it looked like he might make a decent 2nd rower/centre as he ran at the gaps - now h4es a different animal. Stefs not going anywhere this season. |
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One day, one day soon I hope, we'll find out vwahat is going on. I have been a strong advocate of Luke Adamson but was very put off by his performances at the close of last season. At ... (a recent away match) I found out he was told to play with a broken hand during that period.
For me Smith is THE captain ... he is vocal all match.
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| Quote Lyrad Red="Lyrad Red"Possibly one of the most contradicting comments and ill informed post's i've read.
You call me a fickle fan for venting my frustration and you're the one throwing in the towel at halftime....pathetic. Fans don't come more fickle than that. At least I had the loyalty to see it out and witness a half hearted attempt of us getting back into the game. The going got tough and you showed how little faith you had by spitting your dummy out ? Were half way through the season, are you not aware of our inconsistent form? or do you simply have prematch visions of us putting 60 on a well drilled side ? lets be realistic for a second.
And more to the point it was the second half we endeavoured to make a come back, the half in which DJ came up with more mistakes and rash decisions. And as mentioned we won the second half on points. Ok my topic title has come across a little rash, I was really trying to make a point of how quickly his form has declined from a decent run of form. I wasn't chanting "DJ OUT" when the whistle blew, I can see his talent and class, but I do think as mentioned, he does need to bend his back a little more in the tackle and take a leaf out of Patterns book when it comes to attacking the line.
I like the bloke and like you think he's the best scrum half we've had in a long long time, but I do think his leadership qualities need a bit of a polish if were going to make a good attempt at the second half of the season in our last year at the Willows. And your right, he isn't at Warrington or Saints were he'd have good cover from the forwards, and with that being the case surely he realises he has to put that little extra work rate in, not sit back and disappear for 20 minutes, which seemed to be the case last night.
No he didn't single handedly lose us the game, but he had a 4/5 good opportunities to win us the game, opportunities which turned to dust and halted our comeback.'"
Fair point, "fickle" may not of been the right term to use ill admit that and Maybe i did spit my dummy out but im not going to sit here and apologize for it its was my choice to leave and Ive never left a game early just something on Friday made me so pis*ed of i simply had to.
As you said your post came across a little "rash" and i do agree with some of your points he does need to start attacking the line a little bit more, and i also agree i don't think his leadership skills are up to scratch but when i read that first post with some of your comments i got the impression you thought he was a pile of shi*e.
Holdsworth had a bad game im sure he is aware of that but on his day he is a class act. As i said he can improve and needs to become more consistent. |
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