I'm happy with the talent we have at Wigan, just unhappy that a dozen of them are stuck in the treatment room...

This might sound crazy but I am happy with the quality in our squad. I was before the season started and I am now.

I know most on here would have liked to have signed greg inglis and maybe Semi Radrada but that was never going to happen.

On paper we have a better squad than most of the other teams in the league.

Like Sally says the overall quality has dropped which means the gap between the "have's" and "have nots" is not as great so the things that separates teams on the ladder is how the team is coached, mentally prepared and motivated. Can anybody say that this squad is vastly inferior to Cas, Catalan, Salford, Leigh and Saints.

We have become a lazy team. Every tackle we make we are leaving hands in on the ball to try and blag a knock on because we are too lazy to do it the honest way by hitting hard and forcing a knock on. We are trying to get cheap penalties to piggy back us up field when we should be just running harder and faster and supporting the runner. We are questioning the ref if a penalty is given instead of getting back and hitting the opposition to get the ball back. Our whole system now depends on quick play the balls and penalties but other teams and the referees have figured us out and this has not just happened overnight.

With the right coaching, mental prep and motivation this team can compete for silverware but the change has to happen really quick.

Brilliantly put. This crisis is down to very, very poor coaching

The players perhaps have recognised this and are playing accordingly to allow the board to make a change?

Does Agar have a more hands in approach with the coaching now? I don't rate him to be honest & wonder how he keeps getting work.

Is this true? I am not a Warrington fan nor do I avidly read your forum so the news that Agar is in charge of the first team is, quite literally, gobsmacking for me.



Agar V Smith - an ok assistant who has twice failed to make the jump to head coach V one of the most successful and knowledgeable head coaches we have seen in SL. And you now have the assistant in charge? I don't get it!



This probably sounds like an anti-Agar rant so for balance I know a guy who coached with him; he holds Agar in the highest regard; apparently he has lots of innovative ideas and can see raw talent long before many other coaches; I respect that guy's opinion because I am not a coach at any level; but please tell me I have read this thread wrong or that I am drunk and you really don't have him in charge of your first team coaching?



Anyhow, whichever way it is, I am sure you will come through your current predicament and, at the very least, "do a Leeds" and easily navigate the Middle Eights, should you find yourselves there although I suspect a Warrington revival will occur sooner than that!

I don't believe our predicament is comparable to Leeds last season whatsoever they lost some huge players for them we have added to ours in the right or wrong positions is debatable and it's been a while now since mostly briers monas etc left so their departures cannot be blamed !



We're just not up for it for whatever reason is speculation but until whatever is causing this is solved it will be a long hard slug to get thru the season!!

Yep and all this despair coming on the back of CC and GF defeats, and a long wait of a cold dark rugbyless off season,



It wasn't meant to be like this

Is this critic of Agar fare?

When we were flying high last season..his name was hardly mentioned. Yet now, like when he first arrived, he is barraged. ?



Personally I think he is a yes man so I lay blame of dips and errors squarely at the feet of TS.

I would agree as he is basically feeding down and following tony smiths instruction, if this is the set up I would question who ever thought it would be a good idea to take a lot of smiths responsibilities away from him and passed them over to agar and if smith was actually ok with the arrangement sees were paying smith quite a bit of money to do less work nowadays ??



and its a fair point that when we lay well smith its the credit but when we don't perform agar is to blame I would say they are both as culpable as each other for both our good play and also when we play poorly however it would also be part of mr smiths job that when we are not performing to adapt and identify the problems and weaknesses of the team and look to strengthen their position through new players or more intensive training of the players in that position ??? clearly these have not been resolved tho

It would seem we're the only club in super league which has such a coaching structure as it is, or at the least, how we think the structure is..

Without being inside the structure, we can only speculate. If Agar was to go, it would be down to a perceived closeness to Tony Smith and his previous track record which I'm sure he would be disappointed with, fairly or unfairly.



Agar has been praised by some of the players for the work he does with them, so certainly not so cut and dry as to what is going on behind closed doors.

Toby King is a championship player at best. Unfortunately for us fans he is on smiths 'favourites' list and will always play if fit. Since our last major trophy in 2012 ask yourselves if any player no longer with us has been replaced with someone of equal/better ability. (bar myler for sandow, but that hardly turned out well!)