But here's got talent and wasted it, you need to turn it on its head.

I think that Paul Cullen was a fairly ordinary player who by sheer effort and dedication made himself into a very good all round centre/second row. He also battled against a very serious knee injury.

The player at Wolves who made the least of a load of talent has to be Jon Roper, had everything, did very little with it.

Keith Senior. Not exactly a skilful player, doesn't have great balance or great offload, but has certainly made the best of being a powerful runner.

These are the guys who apply themselves and make the most of what they've got. Train hard and have good lengthy careers, the sort that you need in the team.

Jamie Peacock

Ben Westwood

kevin sinfield

Sean Long

Nat Wood

What about Ellery Hanley? He didn't have much of a kicking or passing game....?

Sam Obst

This a monumentally daft thread even for here. To even get to the point of having a career in the sport the player must have consistently exhibited exceptional talent through game after game in junior, youth and academy grade rugby.