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| Quote Rooster Booster="Rooster Booster"5 players apparently losing form is down to a coach not having a right game plan?
You can lay 95% of the blame at the coach as much as you like. It just goes to show you have no idea about what's involved with coaching a top flight club.
Teams nause up, the coach cops it. Is Ivan Cleary a crap coach? He's second from bottom in the NRL, he must be and there's even some sad fans calling for his head. It's just the way it works.'"
Tell you what RB.....I may be an arrogant C**K when it comes to marketing, but the post above is as patronising as I've seen on these boards....Powell is 95% to blame for the state the club finds itself in.....and this year, that includes the lack of fans!
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| Quote Rooster Booster="Rooster Booster"
Come WQ, you know about the game. Powell not being good enough is purely based on the results. He fails. He goes. End of. Players on the other hand can have a contract. Hypothetically, if 10 of a 25 first grade squad under perform and don't do what they're told or miss tackles, or don't act on what they've learnt from video work, or seem unmotivated in any team and the teams loses and finishes second from bottom, who goes? The coach. Not the players on a contract.
A lot of comments directed at coaching on here are sometimes unfounded as people don't know what happens at training etc. etc. They see the poor results and direct their anger at the person who cops it at the end of the day as results are their responsibility.'"
But there are obvious things for which Powell IS responsible. Take Will Lovell - a young lad with a bit of promise. Watching the video of the Huddersfield game he starts defending at left centre, later he is defending at 3rd in on the right and at the end he is in the middle unit. He misses tackles. It's just the worst thing you can do to a kid's development.
We don't have a right centre because Powell didn't recruit one for 2012 - instead he picked up a bunch of wingers, same as he (someone else?) is doing for 2013 it seems. The result? Just about everyone has been played out of position there and we've been destroyed down that side of the field. His latest solution? Luke Dorn - 13 tackles, 6 misses. Genuinely, who would think the answer to defending at right centre was Luke Dorn??!
Granted that Powell has problems with a squad which he mostly inherited but he just hasn't solved the problems he's been presented with. He hasn't worked out who to play and where to play them to get the best from the squad. And now he's just guessing. I will open up the possibility that there may not be a coach in the world who can resolve the problems but the question would then be why is someone (and it may not be Powell) re-signing the same players for 2013? There is virtually no wriggle room for new signings and we have some obvious gaps in our squad that need filling.
You make the comparison with Ivan Cleary. Cleary has some positive previous which puts his coaching account in credit - Powell is already overdrawn. Cleary may or may not be getting the best from his squad - I have no idea as I don't watch the NRL anymore. It's obviously possible that a very good coach can be in charge of a very poor squad. But if Cleary is busily re-signing all his 2012 squad for 2013 and imagining that next year it will come good I'd say he was crazy. And that seems to be where the Broncos are right now.
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| Quote Colly2="Colly2"But there are obvious things for which Powell IS responsible. Take Will Lovell - a young lad with a bit of promise. Watching the video of the Huddersfield game he starts defending at left centre, later he is defending at 3rd in on the right and at the end he is in the middle unit. He misses tackles. It's just the worst thing you can do to a kid's development.
We don't have a right centre because Powell didn't recruit one for 2012 - instead he picked up a bunch of wingers, same as he (someone else?) is doing for 2013 it seems. The result? Just about everyone has been played out of position there and we've been destroyed down that side of the field. His latest solution? Luke Dorn - 13 tackles, 6 misses. Genuinely, who would think the answer to defending at right centre was Luke Dorn??!
Granted that Powell has problems with a squad which he mostly inherited but he just hasn't solved the problems he's been presented with. He hasn't worked out who to play and where to play them to get the best from the squad. And now he's just guessing. I will open up the possibility that there may not be a coach in the world who can resolve the problems but the question would then be why is someone (and it may not be Powell) re-signing the same players for 2013? There is virtually no wriggle room for new signings and we have some obvious gaps in our squad that need filling.
You make the comparison with Ivan Cleary. Cleary has some positive previous which puts his coaching account in credit - Powell is already overdrawn. Cleary may or may not be getting the best from his squad - I have no idea as I don't watch the NRL anymore. It's obviously possible that a very good coach can be in charge of a very poor squad. But if Cleary is busily re-signing all his 2012 squad for 2013 and imagining that next year it will come good I'd say he was crazy. And that seems to be where the Broncos are right now.'"
What can I say? All seems concise.
To use a Tony Reaism, there are so many variables in a game. Why do you think this kid went from defending at left centre, to right second row to being jammed in the middle (was he at hooker)?
I can only guess, injuries on the park, at that time, forced the coach's hand. But who knows really?
Re CLeary, it was just more of an indication that even the good coaches have to finish near the bottom at some point (not saying powell is before I get skilleted). Yet he is still a good coach despite the results and the call for his head by some disgruntled fans. Cleary that is.
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McGuire went to Wigan and with the same squad of players that Noble had completely changed the way they play. The defensive structures he introduced were and remain marvellous and even today is the foundation of their current success-That is an example of what coaches do.
Look at how Long has changed the way the Reds attack. That is what coaches do.
They dont make players miss tackles but what they do is get the best out of players individually and collectively. Powell hasnt got the experience, knowledge, personality, management skills etc to do that.'"
Yeah, spot on.
Funny how this has grown from one sentence about the appalling missed tackle count ain't it? With GF taking it down the entire responsiblity of a coach route.
[iThe coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.[/i
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| Rooster is quite correct stating that the coach is not to be blamed for missed tackle and certainly the senior players within the squad should look at themselves and start performing better.
The problem, apart from inexperience Powell has is that he is not a natural leader. And all coaches must be leaders. I know people who deal with Powell and their comments are that he's a nice enough bloke, but nothing special. Says it all...
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| Quote systemsRooster is quite correct stating that the coach is not to be blamed for missed tackle '"
He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes
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| Quote east stander="east stander"He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes'"
How many missed tackles are down to player error or poor defensive lines? Usually, it's a combination of both, so the coach can get perhaps work on one part and try and improve the tacker technique as well.
However, tackling is sometimes more about commitment than technique - as there are times when you just have to throw yourself at someone and hope you stop them or slow then down enough! If the players don't have the guts and/or technique to tackle then they have to look at themselves, they're professionals.
Coaches get too much blame for poor application of skills. However, I do accept that good coaches will always produce better teams as the players want to play as well as they can for their coach and this is what Powell lacks. He's not a leader, so the players aren't doing what they should for him
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| I think in essence we are all saying the same thing in a roundabout way!!!
Clarky showed our stats at about 80 odd % tackle rate which I didnt react to. When he said that equates to 48 tackles missed I nearly fell of my chair. He then showed two examples of simple one on ones being missed.
48 tackles is one good players tackles in a game-hooker for example
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| Haven't seen Roy Haggerty post for a while, this thread should be right up his alley...
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| Quote east stander="east stander"He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes'"
Lets be fair. You don't know that the coach ain't doing that, do you? You're just presuming that because it appears to happen a lot, he can't be. Which at a full time professional RL club would be nonsensical.
If they address it in training, week on week, what else can any coach do?
Why doesn't someone go up to the coach and ask him what he does about the large volume of missed tackles and how that's addressed? Then post what he says on here.
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| Quote Rooster Booster="Rooster Booster"Why doesn't someone go up to the coach and ask him what he does about the large volume of missed tackles and how that's addressed? Then post what he says on here.'"
Have you read some of his post match comments on the BBC? Straight answers to questions are something that have become as rare as hens teeth as the season has progressed........the TW2 Towers hatches seem to have been well and truly battened down!
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Have you read some of his post match comments on the BBC? Straight answers to questions are something that have become as rare as hens teeth as the season has progressed........the TW2 Towers hatches seem to have been well and truly battened down!'"
Absolutely right, I get that he is a bad coach but he could answer questions and talk to people in a better way. If his player man management is anything like the way he talks to fans I certainly would not want to play for him. The longer he stays and continues with his attitude the more my personal dislike for the bloke grows which was never there before.
It is his fault most of what's going wrong, demote him right away to start the preparations for '13
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