The current line up isn't working. I'd like to see something different.



Roberts

Marsh Joel Carmont Pat

Sam Deacon

Coley Tommy Prescott

Hoffman Hansen

Lockers

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McM Mossop Lima Tuson

So you'd drop Goulding for Marsh? Sorry, no. Goulding has proven himself on the wing at this level. He may not be scoring this season but he's been solid enough.



Marsh had a good game on Friday, but he's never a SL/Wigan centre, let alone a winger.

Goulding looked to have picked up an injury to me, seemed to be limping towards the end of the first half. Might miss the game anyway?

Not everyone is fit so I would go with this.... shake it up a little. Take a few risks.....



Roberts

Goulding

Joel

Carmont

Richards

Sam

Deacon

Coley

McIlorum

Lima

Hansen

Hoffman

Lockers



Farrell

Prescott

Tommy

Mossop



I think this is the best team we can put out at the moment assuming Deacon is ok etc.



Roberts at FB.... he needs confidence, once he has it then he will be very dangerous for us.



Joel at centre..... quality second half against Leeds, he could be a real weapon, the centre position seems to be developing down under and we should follow, big players with unique skills.... much like Idris, Inglis, Folau..... or back in the day with Gene Miles and Meninga.... the centre position is beginning to adapt again.... we should follow.... Joel could be a quality strike centre, much more effective than running at other forwards... he is going to be running at alot of young centres with his size.



Sam at 6.... he has been found out at FB... he is way too predictable and he now has much less options... he tore the leeds team appart when moved to 6.... he could still chime into the line at times because it can be effective but his kick return is not as good as Roberts and he is similar under the high ball (excluding Roberts nightmare at Hudds) I am glad sam had the experience at 1 because he will be a better player and he will learn alot from it but it is time to move him back to his best position....



Deacon 7.... will work better with Sam than Leuluai will IMO.... he will organise the team and Finch will have to earn his place in this team, he cannot be played with the showing he put in against Catalans, he showed some fantastic touches against Leeds, mainly the long pass to Tomkins but his kicking game has been shocking to Deacon gets the pick



McIlorum at hooker.... played awful against Catalans, I honestly can't believe he was some peoples MOM.... he was dreadful.... saying that it's the only bad game I have seen him have in a Wigan shirt... he has really come on and should carry on being our starting hooker due to his defence.... start the game solid.



Tommy at hooker off the bench.... he won the world cup with NZ playing hooker, he looked awesome when he moved there against Catalans, he is a great runner of the ball and could be devastating in that position.... he has great hands and great vision, he also has a good kicking game compared to most hookers despite his last tackle options from our own half... he is an impact player and super league teams will not know how to cope with him...



Lima starting prop.... he is NOT FEKA.... he is a hard working prop... we should start him he does not have any impact from the bench. Lets start him.

Prescott off the bench... I believe he will bring more impact like Mossop has been doing. Try it.



Just my opinion but I think I give some decent reasons even if the wording is not the best. It is 2am though.

I agree 100% with alll of that, lets see what madge does

Having any combinations at half back, full back, hooker will be irellevent until the pack start to dominate teams again. Feilden has been a big miss the pack is getting bullied at the moment

Correct.

The experiment of using Hansen at prop failed miserably on Friday, we desperately needed another prop on the bench, I would have risked Dom Crosby.



I am also in the minority and think Sam is still the best option at fullback.

True, but it was as much down to the pack not playing to their usual high standards, especially defensively. Hoffman, in particular, was dreadful, after being superb for all the previous games. We did miss Fielden, Lima and Farrell, but the guys out there would usually be more than capable.

Yes actually I would. Only a few years back people were saying the same about Goulding, he was a centre who wasn't up to it, he then went on loan to Salford, they played him as a winger, and the rest is history.

Goulding was scoring tries last season due to having a top centre as his partner, without that he's average at best.

He's weak under the high ball and not that quick.



Compare him to Marsh, Marsh is bigger faster stronger better under the high ball.



I don't like the mentality of 'well he's not done much wrong so lets stick with him' when in reality we could be stronger down his side.

We just lack bite and aggression, at times I think we're almost bullied by a 'harder pack'. I feel thats how wire have the beating of us. Against Hudds wire were under the cosh as their pack was as equally if not more aggressive.



We need more grunt, big hits and legal aggressive behaviour from our entire pack.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the team selections, it's just a matter of getting them to perform as a unit. They seem lethargic in both defence and attack, right across the team. Them first 20 minutes they need to be smashing into teams just like we did last year! They seem cautious as if there scared of getting injured. We need that ruthless mentality back and QUICK!

I think most of us are in agreement that things arent quite working at the mo. If you were Madge, what changes would you make?



I think there have been a lot of "distractions" so far this season from the World Club Challenge and the Gleeson saga to Hock's return. We've also had a lot of injuries/suspensions to key players which hasnt helped us to have a settled squad.



If I was Madge I'd look to moving Joel to centre permenantly. He's strong, fast, he can score tries and is also a good defender.



I'd also bring Amos back in at full back and move Sam back to stand off. Sam's a great attacking full back but his positional play and, at times, his defence is somewhat shaky. I think he has the potential and talent to be the best stand off the club has had since Edwards.



Amos looked good in attack against Hudds and I think he just needs a couple of games under his belt to settle himself and restore his confidence. How awesome would it be to have the Amos of last season back??



We need to restore some stability in the team. We dont have a "starting 13" this season and I'm not sure we've ever put the same team out twice for one reason or another. I know its difficult with injuries but I think making too many changes too often is too distracting for the players.



Finally, I'd have to drop Finch to the U20's. I'm not sure if he's still carrying an injury and if he is, then it would explain to a degree why he was actually shirking out of tackles on Friday night! I have never, in all my years of watching rugby league seen anything like it!! He looked like he didnt want to get involved and his contribution to the game was a bit of arm waving! Disgraceful! If he is injured, then he shouldnt be playing anyway! The sooner we get Deacs back the better. We've really missed his kicking and organisational skills.



To end on a positive note, it was great to see Pat back. His kicking game alone will ease some pressure on us.



Thoughts, everyone?

Me too Brian !!!

FB 19 Roberts

RW 25 Charnley

RC 12 Joel

LC 4 Carmont

LW 5 Richards

SO 1 Sam

SH 7 Leuluai

P 14 Prescott

H 9 McIlorum

P 10 Coley

SR 16 Hoffman

SR 22 Farrell

LF 13 O'Loughlin



S 11 Hansen

S 15 Lima

S 21 Mossop

S 23 Tuson