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| Can't be d reading all 14 pages..
FFS Leeds fans deserved it IMO, Sam has had to field embarrassing question because of them muppets and sticking the V's is nothing and those who feel offended need to get themselves a life.
Welcome to Britain... the nation of do-gooders!!
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| Quote post="post"snip.'"
No he should be fined, all players should be fined for this.
Just because the fans do it doesn't mean the professionals you are paying to see should react.
It's like working in customer services, just because the customer is blasting you over the phone doesn't mean you can justify giving it back, you are the professional so you act professionally.
Mather/Myler/King(to his own fans) any other player should be fined, it's not acceptable end of.
He has brought the company, in this case Wigan Warriors in to a negative light, which must mean there is some way he is brought in to line, forget me or my Wire ties the BBC received a number of complaints from neutral viewers he has to be shown it isn't acceptable.
A fine though is ample punishment, a ban is just ridiculous and grossly disproportionate.
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| Quote Horatio Yed="Horatio Yed"A fine though is ample punishment, a ban is just ridiculous and grossly disproportionate.'"
I think a public apology would also be a good idea.
I wonder if the RFL will do anything about him grabbing the ref's arm? That's a 3 to 8 match ban according to the RFL's own rules.
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| Quote Das Tard="Das Tard"Bye bye Sam enjoy Union, topics like this WILL make him switch. Ain't Britsh society totally screwed that the majority look up and admire freaks on reality shows yet belittle obviously talented sports people like Sam. Scrubbers'"
So Sam Tomkins, who has just won the Super League and Challenge Cup, at the biggest club in rugby league, his hometown team, will decide that topics on the internet slagging him off will make him decide that Wigan RL means f all, and he wants to go to play union.
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| Sam was wrong in what he did and I probably over reacted in saying he deserves a ban.
I now agree with Yed in saying it should be dealt with by Wigan and give him a fine and be done with it.
The kid is an immense talent and should be appreciated by all RL fans,it's players like him that can hopefully bring the 4 Nations and the WC back to England.
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| Is there a precedent for this sort of thing? If so, follow it - the occasion and fact it was televised are completely irrelevant. We can't punish players based solely on who might have been watching. If there's an offence been committed then so be it, but we can't be entertaining thoughts of how many people may have seen it when considering potential RFL sanctions.
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| Quote cjhatesunion="cjhatesunion"Sam was wrong in what he did and I probably over reacted in saying he deserves a ban.
I now agree with Yed in saying it should be dealt with by Wigan and give him a fine and be done with it.
The kid is an immense talent and should be appreciated by all RL fans,it's players like him that can hopefully bring the 4 Nations and the WC back to England.'"
Is spot on.
Typical knee jerk reactions by too many people yesterday. Anyone would think he had run over to the video ref and clocked him one instead of waving a couple of fingers around. 
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| many a player have reacted in the same manner for us Briers at leeds, King did the five knuckle shuffle jesture at our own fans,eastmond( alleged ) at his own fans, a lot of fans have blown it a bit out of proportion imo because the player who has done it,i don't particulaly like Tomkins he can be petulant at the best of times i think a ban would be a tad harsh
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| This needs to stop. Lets just face the facts. Worse things have happened in the past and will in the future. But to my memory this is the first thats happened in a Challenge cup final in front of millions of viewers. Bringing the game into disrepute should be the charge. A large fine and a lenghty ban is in order. But please leave him alone until after the Wire game, I would much prefer to play A Wigan side with no suspensions and a fit squad. No excuses for either team on the result
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| Quote Horatio Yed="Horatio Yed"I don't understand people gettting their knickers in a twist, it doesn't lower the profile of rugby or make US look stupid, it just makes Tomkins look stupid fine him and be done. I'm thinking today how many times i've heard the F-bomb at work today or the C word and this is just today, get a grip people.'"
Got to agree with this. Bit silly, but we are talking about young men who are in a very fired up state. Sam will be defended here, as i'm sure lee Smith was on the Leeds board, when he acted far more aggresively towards fans. Smiths behaviour was far worse.
Ironically i was travelling down with my 15 year old grandson on friday and we were talking about Churchill and his "V" sign, and the subject of the offensive version came up. To people his age it is almost an irrelevance and carries little of the power it did 40 or 50 years ago.
It's also ironic that Leeds fans, of all people, come on here to tell us how our players should behave on the pitch...... Ironic, and hypocritical.
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| I would also add that if it had been anybody other than Sam, nobody would have bothered to post.... Get a grip people, and get over your one-eyed bias...
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