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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"There is. It's by squad rotation. Even in the backs I think if we carry on playing this really hard physical game we have started the season off with then if we stick with the first 17 barring injury or suspension they will run out of steam by the end of the competition.
On Mike's board there is one well connected poster who insists Feka was not dropped but rotated and he will be back in v Bradford (so that will be interesting to see). I also think under a different coach HH's minor shoulder problem may have seen him selected with a pain killing injection.
I think we will see players come in for uninjured players over the course of the season such as McIllorum coming in for Deacon perhaps and currently if Aincough were not on-loan I'd have him in the side over Goulding anyway.
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I get your point but even squad rotation isn't going to get Ainscough enough games imo to make calling him back from Cas(well not extending his loan) worthwhile.
He needs to play every week imo because he's a special talent. It just so happens we have 2 wingers who are even better then him already at the club but his time will come. I hope we keep him at Cas unless somebody picks up an injury and let him develope there. He will play every week and be able to work on his minor flaws.
He's in the best place at this minute in time but hopefully we can sort him out a spot intime for next season.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"He's in the best place at this minute in time but hopefully we can sort him out a spot intime for next season.'"
I agree with this. Ainscough will be getting good SL experience under a good coach at Cas.
I personally think it is looking increasingly obvious that two of his team mates fighting for the same position (Goulding and Pryce) won't be here next season and that if he works on his concrete feet in defence he'll be in the 19 next season.
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"I agree with this. Ainscough will be getting good SL experience under a good coach at Cas.
I personally think it is looking increasingly obviously that two of his team mates fighting for the same position (Goulding and Pryce) won't be here next season and that if he works on his concrete feet in defence he'll be in the 19 next season.'"
He does look like having an automatic jump up of 2 places next year with Goulding and Pryce both not cracking any pots(fair play to Gouldings attitude by the way but he just doesn't look quite good enough) so that can be a comfort to him in his time at Cas.
I'd back him to get 20 trys for Cas this year and if he does that his confidence will be sky high. All Wigan need to do is to make sure they keep in regular contact with him and make him feel part of this club still and make sure he knows he has a future.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"He does look like having an automatic jump up of 2 places next year with Goulding and Pryce both not cracking any pots(fair play to Gouldings attitude by the way but he just doesn't look quite good enough) so that can be a comfort to him in his time at Cas.
I'd back him to get 20 trys for Cas this year and if he does that his confidence will be sky high. All Wigan need to do is to make sure they keep in regular contact with him and make him feel part of this club still and make sure he knows he has a future.'"
I agree with that NK. Ainy just needs to be assured that he is a major part of our plans. He's only 20..it's not like it's 'now or never'!
I do feel the club (and in particular IL) are aware of this sort of thing though. IL has been a fan for as long, or longer, than just about anyone on this board and, as such, seems to have similar views. I'm confident he will no more want to lose Ainscough than any of us!
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| On a side note about another loan player the majority of the Widnes fans have Liam Farrell down as man of the match of their site from yesterdays 72-10 win over Keighley.
He scored a try and was a constant menace down the flanks for them they said and got through tonnes of defence in his 80mins on the pitch.
Sounds very promsing and he again is a player thats in the right place. He's always available to be called back if needs be but for at least the next few months i'd expect to see him tearing it up at Widnes.
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"I agree with this. Ainscough will be getting good SL experience under a good coach at Cas.
I personally think it is looking increasingly obvious that two of his team mates fighting for the same position (Goulding and Pryce) won't be here next season and that if he works on his concrete feet in defence he'll be in the 19 next season.'"
A friend (Wigan season ticket holder) rang me yesterday. I was praising Ainscough for his catching of the high balls and the way he took his tries, but was critical of his air shot and I believed he should have gone for the corner instead of kicking infield.
He made an astute observation which I had missed. He said "But did you notice that when he took those high balls he never actually got off the ground. Against a taller wingman he would have struggled."
I honestly hadn't noticed, did anyone else?
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"A friend (Wigan season ticket holder) rang me yesterday. I was praising Ainscough for his catching of the high balls and the way he took his tries, but was critical of his air shot and I believed he should have gone for the corner instead of kicking infield.
He made an astute observation which I had missed. He said "But did you notice that when he took those high balls he never actually got off the ground. Against a taller wingman he would have struggled."
I honestly hadn't noticed, did anyone else?'"
Will watch it again later but i dont think he was under pressure of anyone so why risk jumping.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"A friend (Wigan season ticket holder) rang me yesterday. I was praising Ainscough for his catching of the high balls and the way he took his tries, but was critical of his air shot and I believed he should have gone for the corner instead of kicking infield.
He made an astute observation which I had missed. He said "But did you notice that when he took those high balls he never actually got off the ground. Against a taller wingman he would have struggled."
I honestly hadn't noticed, did anyone else?'"
Yes I noticed hence the concrete feet remark - he never seems to get off the ground. I think part of it is that he always wants to catch the ball, when sometimes it might be better just to play safe, compete and knock the ball dead. It's his biggest area to work on for me but I think it should be easily remedied and doesn't mask the fact he's got that x-factor that means he'll score a lot of tries.
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| I make no secret of being a big fan of Ainscough, and to be honest i think we'll probably end up losing him. He keeps getting passed on from club to club and scoring loads of tries wherever he goes, I bet he'd get a run at most other top SL clubs.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"I make no secret of being a big fan of Ainscough, and to be honest i think we'll probably end up losing him. He keeps getting passed on from club to club and scoring loads of tries wherever he goes, I bet he'd get a run at most other top SL clubs.'"
Then seriously you're letting your like get carried away. He's a great talent, but the last thing the lad needs is for people to start telling him he's a total superstar. I couldn't see him getting a start at Leeds, Saints maybe (but's thats because they're not exactly blessed in this spot).
What you should be looking at is would he get the run you're talking about at a club with 2 wingers of the quality and form of Pat Richards and Amos Roberts infront of him?
And tbh if he decides he's got to go, then the only place he's going to walk into is somewhere with available salary cap - of which I don't think there's any of the top clubs unless some come off contract soon. So is he going to walk away to play first team at Salford or Quins?
Don't look for problems where I suspect there aren't any, I'm sure IL/MM/SW along with Rads are managing the situation carefully.
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| Quote Andy Greg="Andy Greg"Will watch it again later but i dont think he was under pressure of anyone so why risk jumping.'"
Agreed, you'd only jump for the ball if you were in direct competition with another player to catch it. In Ainscough's case on Saturday night, all the bombs from KR were poor as they didn't allow any of the chasers to apply pressure to the catcher.
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| Quote Steve Ella's Beard="Steve Ella's Beard"Then seriously you're letting your like get carried away. He's a great talent, but the last thing the lad needs is for people to start telling him he's a total superstar. I couldn't see him getting a start at Leeds, Saints maybe (but's thats because they're not exactly blessed in this spot).
What you should be looking at is would he get the run you're talking about at a club with 2 wingers of the quality and form of Pat Richards and Amos Roberts infront of him?
And tbh if he decides he's got to go, then the only place he's going to walk into is somewhere with available salary cap - of which I don't think there's any of the top clubs unless some come off contract soon. So is he going to walk away to play first team at Salford or Quins?
Don't look for problems where I suspect there aren't any, I'm sure IL/MM/SW along with Rads are managing the situation carefully.'"
I was thinking Ainscough and Richards on the wings, Roberts at full back and Phelps on the bench as either a stand off or a utility back. To be honest I can understand him not getting a game with us when everyone's fit but he should have got a go when Phelps got injured.
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