I don't see how anyone can argue with that, despite Noble defenders attempting to on this thread.







The style of rugby was poor, end of story.

I think it proves what he said about them playing off the cuff rugby and an offloading game doesn't it?



When a guy makes the same amount of offloads in 5 games as he did in the whole of the season before that to me says he's under instruction to keep the ball alive. Like them or Loathe them Wire are playing some super stuff this year and i'm enjoying watching them.



I shall be cheering the Bulls on after mind

NickyKiss answered that pretty well.



Second bit I wouldn't say we are playing like Saints in that way more in the way of keeping the ball alive offloading in the tackle etc.

I agree entirely. Amos Roberts stated in the match day programme that Madge has allowed him to come in field and play his game more rather then being stuck on the wing and being one dimensional. He also went on to say how important a good start was and how just playing at the end of the season wasn't good enough. I think that speaks volumes about the differences with the two coaches. Players have to be professional in what they say, but that was the clearest indication on how they must all be feeling about the two coaches. Have you ever seen Stuart Fielden look so happy?



That team last night was exactly the same team Brian Noble had whilst at Wigan (Deacon didn't play). What we saw was a dominant performance and a team playing with plenty of confidence and enthusiasm. We were much more clinical, inventive and thorough in our attack. Players knew where to be. We have even started to use the prop forwards in our attack close to the line! Last year we had players who would get the ball and then just stop and get closed down. We were too slow and too flat. MaGuire has made a massive change to the team and the way we play our game. Yes, the fitness of the players has played an important part to the way the team is performing, but Brian Noble could have changed things around had he wanted to.What was stopping him? Ian Lenagan publically disagreed with Noble after the St.helens match when BN came out with ficticious rubbish about 'the rugby gods weren't with us'. The 'rugby gods' don't exist and that was an awful analogy of the game and it was a frequent occurence of Brian Noble who used the same cliches all the time regarding our performances - 'bad day in the office' - and all that garbage. Lenagan was right when he said this team could do a whole lot better and so far he has been proven correct. He also publically criticised the condition of the players and said they needed to be a whole lot fitter and he was correct.



I stay quiet on this issue most of the time because either way it doesn't matter. I am just pleased to see us playing fantastic rugby and doing so well, but at times it irritates me how people bizarrely cannot see the difference in the two sides (or at least choose to ignore it) and what a monumental difference the coaching staff have made to the team. People who don't agree with their views or support their agendas get slated by the collective clique on this board and it is ridiculous. DaveO gets ridiculed if people don't agree with his views and yet people on this board are as bad if not worse!

Got to agree there Dave. The difference is WAY too marked to be attributed soley to fitness.

Really? Still following the thread are we?





Turning the debate personal is always a sure sign of a lost argument.







Some free advice for you. Next time wait for the bandwagon to start rolling before you jump on.





Honestly, to the pair of you picking on a post of mine that basically said the brand of Rugby played under Noble was poor despite the stats and improved fitness wasn't the only reason for the difference in order to have a go at me wasn't a smart move was it?



I am sure I will give you plenty of better ammunition than that during the course of the season





Dave

Just for the fun of it Dave, try considering the fact everyones point of view here is equally valid and no more "right" than anyone elses. We all have the right to our own point of view, including you.

Try to avoid shouting down people who don't see things EXACTLY like you. Lets see if you can, good boy.

I dont see any personal insult just pointed out you think your right all the time that in my book is not an insult its an observation.



And no point following you must be a leader.

yes it's not only the coaching but the whole way the club is now being run, a good insight is to listen to Rads in the South Stand bar at the post match presentation, we are a team again.

Example, in the team meeting before the Hull game, it was HH's 150th game for the club, he was presented with a special match shirt with 150 embroidered on it, and HH said that this was a great honour. It's a culmination of all these little things going on behind the scene's that shows on the pitch, long may it continue.

You might try following your own advice before posting the tripe you did.







I do indeed and all I did was express it without resorting to insults or belittling anyone.







But I didn't. I merely offered an opinion as we all do which several people share without, as I said, resorting to insults or belittling language. You in contrast are someone doing the shouting down and I'd stop now if I were you. You have already lost the argument and carrying on makes you look foolish.



Dave

And I didn't use the word insult either. I said you turned it personal and you did. There was IMO nothing wrong with my post but it seems if I disagree with a point of view it must be because "I think I am always right".



It's ridiculous but I have yet to see anyone post an opinion they thought was wrong!



Dave

Reading this forum you’d think that Nobel is a marked man in Wigan just like Peter Risdale is a marked man in Leeds.