maybe the badge should be changed to read "ANCIENT AND LOYAL" (as long as we're winning)

Ancient and Loyal - not a rugby thing. And, it's under the railway bridge.



The motto adopted "Ancient and Loyal" is in keeping with the arms. For a great many years Wigan has on all occasions, official and unofficial, invariably referred to itself as the "Ancient and Loyal Borough," but few are aware that authority for its use can be found in the Charter of Charles II. - the governing charter of the town down to the Municipal Corporations Act of 1835. In that Charter Wigan is designated by the King "an ancient borough" and granted a "special token of our favour for its loyalty to us," so that nothing could be more fitting than its adoption as the town's motto.

Given that Fans is shortened from Fanatics than you are probably right. So there's 2000 fanatics and 15k supporters.



But really? What happens if you nip to the loo during the game and miss a minute or two? In your view it's not 80mins and you shouldn't be there?

I left with 15 mins to go but i was leaving at that time anyway if we was winning by 50 or losing by 50 people pay the same has you so they have a right to do what they want

my dissertation shows that this is HUGE in rugby league, uncertainty of outcome v attendances etc.

Ace google innit?

hull kr fans could have left before half time if were going on when the floodlights go off.

But the word LOYAL is on the badge and therefore there is a certain ammount of irony!

Wigan's average attendance is higher than the capacity of the HJ, a ground which is rarely filled.



Nuff said.





Loyalty is when the fans turn up and support week after week regardless of performances.



Wigan averaged nearly 16k in our near-relegation season, an average Warrington can still only ever dream of.

you do realise your trying to turn this into a c00k measuring with wire thread even though it was started by one of your own. we really must have rattled your cage last night.

Just stating facts fella (in reponse to the 'loyal' post by your fellow Wire).



BTW - I have seen Wire fans pouring out of games going back over the years when being pumped. Same goes with every SL club.



I once saw approx 30-40,000 Man U fans get up and leave at Old Trafford with half an hour to go when they were being murdered by Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.....now THAT's a walk.!!

having to used the bus i leave my seat at 2145.or early if the match has finish. non sky game the match is finish. sky game i can watch the final few mins on sky when i get home



its even that or get home 1 hour later