I'd love the beast if he wasn't so injury prone. His try scoring record is phenominal.

Not just that but possibly Carmont as well. But that's what top sides have to deal with.



Ideally I'd like to see Pat do another contract then we can see in 2-3 years time where the likes of Ryan King and Matty Russell from the academy are standing.

I still think Carmont is massively underrated by a lot of our fans. For me he is extremely consistent, professional and plays to a very high standard. You can see him and Hoffman are forming a good partnership on that side now, and with Pat outside them we will see some real quality down the left wing this season imo. For me Carmont will be a bigger loss than Gleeson, and I think he is missed more than people realise.

Carmont looks fit enough for another season imo. We could do a lot worse than offer him a 1 year deal so we can sort out other areas.

Could be wrong but I think Lenegan has basically said he expects Carmont to retire at the end of this season, don't think the decision would be there for the club to make. It's definitely worth trying though!

I think Richards will be a massive massive loss for you lot.



He's not just a good goal kicker but a very very good player.

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I've heard from the horses mouth himself that Carmont will definately not be here next season. He said he wants to go back home and enjoy his retirement before his body is completely knackered, admittedly he was drinking at the time so may have been enjoying the life so to speak.

Shame, we are going to need to find a real class centre I think, having a youngster on one side is fine, but to not have real quality in the centres would leave a very big gap in the team.

Pat being offered 4x his salary at Sale is massive.

Wigan can't afford that but can Sale?



They are getting 7-8k crowds and 2k of those are freebies. They are losing around £1.5m a year.

The stadium is awful, needs £8m to renovate which Kennedy says he hasn't got. He's put in upwards of £15m of his own money already and recently was reported as saying he feared for the future of professional Rugby Union in the North West. Sale, of course, being the only professional Union club in the NW.



Their ground at Stockport could end up like Knowsley Rd in that some time soon it becomes no longer viable to have Union and Soccer at the place.

Pat might be offered a 3 year deal, will Sale Union be around in three years or less though! If Kennedy walks then it's all over for Sale.

Richards will be one of the two Wigan players joining Maguire at Souths.

Pat will be here next year. Reason a new 3 year contract hasnt been signed off yet, is because were waiting to sort out what is happening with the remaining money from Gleeson's wage.



News will be announced soon, no need to worry.

Bar Lima and Leuluai, all our overseas players may be gone next year.



Richards may go, Hoffman may also. The article re Finch confirmed what I had heard previously - he wants to go home and his heart wasn't in it in the first place. Doesn't mean he'll leave but not a good sign. Carmont will retire whilst you can't see Amos Roberts staying in the reserves for another season. Doesn't benefit him or the club to have an overseas player and decent wage earner playing in the 20's.



Whether or not they all end up leaving, it will definitely be all or some of the players mentioned. In all likelihood we'll need to recruit significantly in the backs, be it from the UK or overseas. Whilst we could probably cope in the forwards, we may need to look at bringing someone in there as well considering Coley's retirement also.

I raised a point of investing firstly into Wigan then UK based players to avoid this very situation.

Granted Pat has stayed with us for lengthy stay but the others are questionable.

I believe investment into UK players who won't up and leave.

It's costing our team too much in stability to be losing new signings after 1 or 2 years. I'm sick of players and coaches no fulfilling their contract, its not acceptable.