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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"Ancient and Loyal - not a rugby thing. And, it's under the railway bridge.
The motto adopted "Ancient and Loyal" is in keeping with the arms. For a great many years Wigan has on all occasions, official and unofficial, invariably referred to itself as the "Ancient and Loyal Borough," but few are aware that authority for its use can be found in the Charter of Charles II. - the governing charter of the town down to the Municipal Corporations Act of 1835. In that Charter Wigan is designated by the King "an ancient borough" and granted a "special token of our favour for its loyalty to us," so that nothing could be more fitting than its adoption as the town's motto.'"
Ace google innit? 
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| Quote moonlight flit="moonlight flit"I think all true fans should stay behind until at least an hour after they have switched the floodlights out to prove how good they are.
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hull kr fans could have left before half time if were going on when the floodlights go off. 
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"Ancient and Loyal - not a rugby thing. And, it's under the railway bridge.
The motto adopted "Ancient and Loyal" is in keeping with the arms. For a great many years Wigan has on all occasions, official and unofficial, invariably referred to itself as the "Ancient and Loyal Borough," but few are aware that authority for its use can be found in the Charter of Charles II. - the governing charter of the town down to the Municipal Corporations Act of 1835. In that Charter Wigan is designated by the King "an ancient borough" and granted a "special token of our favour for its loyalty to us," so that nothing could be more fitting than its adoption as the town's motto.'"
But the word LOYAL is on the badge and therefore there is a certain ammount of irony!
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| Wigan's average attendance is higher than the capacity of the HJ, a ground which is rarely filled.
Nuff said.
Loyalty is when the fans turn up and support week after week regardless of performances.
Wigan averaged nearly 16k in our near-relegation season, an average Warrington can still only ever dream of.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Wigan's average attendance is higher than the capacity of the HJ, a ground which is rarely filled.
Nuff said.
Loyalty is when the fans turn up and support week after week regardless of performances.
Wigan averaged nearly 16k in our near-relegation season, an average Warrington can still only ever dream of.'"
you do realise your trying to turn this into a c00k measuring with wire thread even though it was started by one of your own. we really must have rattled your cage last night.
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| Quote THEOriginalWire="THEOriginalWire"you do realise your trying to turn this into a c00k measuring with wire thread even though it was started by one of your own. we really must have rattled your cage last night.'"
Just stating facts fella (in reponse to the 'loyal' post by your fellow Wire).
BTW - I have seen Wire fans pouring out of games going back over the years when being pumped. Same goes with every SL club.
I once saw approx 30-40,000 Man U fans get up and leave at Old Trafford with half an hour to go when they were being murdered by Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.....now THAT's a walk.!!
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| having to used the bus i leave my seat at 2145.or early if the match has finish. non sky game the match is finish. sky game i can watch the final few mins on sky when i get home
its even that or get home 1 hour later
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Just stating facts fella (in reponse to the 'loyal' post by your fellow Wire).
BTW - I have seen Wire fans pouring out of games going back over the years when being pumped. Same goes with every SL club.
I once saw approx 30-40,000 Man U fans get up and leave at Old Trafford with half an hour to go when they were being murdered by Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.....now THAT's a walk.!!'"
alright then. Yeah every team has fans that leave early, and lets skip straight to the conclusion that all these threads end up in, Wigan have a larger average crowd, therefore the same percentage leaving wigan in comparison to leaving wire looks worse. Simple.
in terms of utd fans leaving early....that's cos they had a plane or train to catch.. 
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| Quote THEOriginalWire="THEOriginalWire"alright then. Yeah every team has fans that leave early, and lets skip straight to the conclusion that all these threads end up in, =#800000Wigan have a larger average crowd, therefore the same percentage leaving wigan in comparison to leaving wire looks worse. Simple.in terms of utd fans leaving early....that's cos they had a plane or train to catch..
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You know, I have tried to use that in a debate before and was shot down but I fully agree. Example being :
I bet man for man there were more Leeds fans leaving Wembley with 5/10 mins to go than Wigan last night? % wise compared to all away fans possibly the same. It's fair to say that 6 to 7,000 walked out well before the hooter in the Leeds end at wembley.
Just like we saw a similar number of Saints fans leave at Old Trafford in October.
Watch Leigh (for instance) getting smacked and seeing 300-400 leaving doesn't quite have the same effect does it?
Re: Man U, I also agree most have long journeys to get home. 
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"You know, I have tried to use that in a debate before and was shot down but I fully agree. Example being :
I bet man for man there were more Leeds fans leaving Wembley with 5/10 mins to go than Wigan last night? % wise compared to all away fans possibly the same. It's fair to say that 6 to 7,000 walked out well before the hooter.
Just like we saw a similar number of Saints fans leave at Old Trafford in October.
Watch Leigh (for instance) getting smacked and seeing 300-400 leaving doesn't quite have the same effect does it?
Re: Man U, I also agree most have long journeys to get home.
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Yep, the argument is completely valid, anyone who thinks it isn't would be bonkers. Numbers dont lie, last night there were 20,000 there and 5000 at least left before the final whistle, compare that to 25% of 11,000 leaving wire, it just doesnt look the same does it.
i like the fact you said most, i dont have far to travel, but still further than most. Dad was born in manchester though so its okay. 
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"
I once saw approx 30-40,000 Man U fans get up and leave at Old Trafford with half an hour to go when they were being murdered by Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.....now THAT's a walk.!!'"
No, you never.
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Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"No, you never.'"
errr.....Yes I did.
14th March 2009
United 1 Liverpool 4
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 922069.stm
Quote Galloping GhostAs a stunned Old Trafford came to terms with that, Aurelio poured salt in the wounds with a superb 25-yard free-kick that left Van der Sar rooted to the spot.
=#800000The stadium was deserting rapidly as Liverpool inflicted one final piece of punishment on United, substitute Dossena lifting a stylish finish over Van der Sar.
As Liverpool's players celebrated a landmark victory, there was only misery at The Theatre of Dreams - for once an inappropriate label for the home of the champions.'"

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Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"No, you never.'"
errr.....Yes I did.
14th March 2009
United 1 Liverpool 4
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 922069.stm
Quote Galloping GhostAs a stunned Old Trafford came to terms with that, Aurelio poured salt in the wounds with a superb 25-yard free-kick that left Van der Sar rooted to the spot.
=#800000The stadium was deserting rapidly as Liverpool inflicted one final piece of punishment on United, substitute Dossena lifting a stylish finish over Van der Sar.
As Liverpool's players celebrated a landmark victory, there was only misery at The Theatre of Dreams - for once an inappropriate label for the home of the champions.'"

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