Oh would we all could be as clean as Wire!

I think pointing the finger at others does nothing to address our own problems does it? First you have to acknowledge it. Of course other teams play dirty from time to time, but like it or not Wigan have got a reputation as thugs.



I couldn't believe my eyes at the end. I mean kicking players is rugby's greatest crime. And you might not think it was much, but WHY DO IT? Then the melee caused by Joel. Totally unnecessary.



Wigan have a problem. I'm Shaun Wane's greatest supporter and i'm not going to start slagging him off now, but he's got to sort this out. Farrell needs to be taken in hand.



The bottom line is - We couldn't defend against 12 players who managed to put 22 points on us after being repeatedly given field position by stupid penalties. And it's no good moaning at referees either cause Child gave us a lot more than we deserved last night.



It's time to take a long hard look at things, because last night was shockingly bad. Performance wise and discipline wise.

Too kind with them md!

The another season of no silverware following a defeat in the wcs will eventually see patience running out for Leneghan, perhaps he will then see that Harris's input and advisory position was of a far greater importance to the team than he initial thought.



Shaun Mane is out of his depth and his thuggery tactic hasn't gone unnoticed.

Watching last night and live at Leigh I cant believe Williams is keeping Hampshire out of the 6 shirt - he is simply too slow. Burgess seems distracted and Manfredi should start. You are badly missing a big prop until Flower is back, as I cant see Mossop doing many minutes

What is Farrell playing at? He was borderline at Leigh and again last night - under orders?

Too right pal.

Like I just said it hasn't gone unnoticed. I know that a presenter of a rugby league programme is very aware of it.

We have Tautai and Clubb, both of whom are bigger than Flower/Mossop and Crosby isn't small either.



This isn't an excuse and it certainly isn't proof that we will automatically get better, but people saying Wane is out of his depth or we are going to struggle this season is a bit premature. Out of the last 14 seasons, we have only won 4 opening day games. That is something that needs addressing, but it hasn't hindered us too much in previous years.



But absolutely our discipline needs looking at we give away far too many stupid penalites at key times.

But being more biased for a moment, in what way last night were we more thuggish or dirty than Widnes (other than the silly Smith incident). I mean their winger got sent off for an attack to the head (accidental or not), and the scuffles during the course of the game were caused from both sides, not just us. I think on the one hand, we do have poor discipline, but on the other, people look out for it more now that we have this reputation. People purposely look for things that our players do so they can justify their pre-judgement of our players. /bias

Game should have been wrapped up by half time, bombed chances, stupid penalties 2nd half, every team is going to niggle us just got to play rugby,

Burgess has now put himself under the microscope he needs a big game next week if selected, will be interesting to see how we go at home against Hudds,

Fair play to Widnes 15mins to go thought they would win it, also fair play to their fans really got behind them when they got on a roll, we need to do that at the DW but only seems any atmosphere at the 20,000 games but that's another topic .

As previously mentioned MB's defence needs to improve no excuse this season had a year and full pre season was expecting a big season from him, we will see.

It was awful!

The second half was a shambles. The Wigan thuggery is a bit rich again after last night when it was an opposition winger who smashed a head shot into Charnley. So much so he couldn't return.

Our problem is just plain indiscipline. The niggles, lying on now is ridiculous. What's happened to Liam Farrell I don't know. He could have been penalised out of the game last night, I really don't know how he got away with some of the things he was up to.

Shaun W needs to re-establish his leadership group, then make them lead.

Shaun's got to get a grip of this and soon too with Huddersfield next up at the DW. Our home League record against them is wretched, a big turnaround is needed for next week.

We have more than enough talent, it just need directing properly.

we were boring and normal under noble, poor under millward, technically clever under madge, and now thuggish under wane. it all stems from how the team is coached in my opinion.



its a sport for the hardest of the hard in fairness so the odd blip is understandable and wanes' passion and desire is second to none, but I have always been concerned with him being our coach as he lets his passions spill too much into the players, club, fans, media and the game overall. there needs to be a line that shouldn't be crossed and I don't think wane understands that as he seems to be teaching the players to play like every man they are up against is sean long.

Playing against 12 men for an hour when you're 16-0 up and you still can't win would embarrass a pub team. 1st game of the season is no excuse for a lack of brains, discipline and leadership.



Given the circumstances, that last hour was the worst Wigan performance I've seen since "that week" in 2005.

How about the 3 late shoulder charges on Widnes players after they had kicked the ball? One of which caused Brown to have to leave the field.



Each of the incidents was a combination of both a late tackle and shoulder charge, went unpunished, each could have been a red card as should have been Smith for his kicking out which was a deliberate foul action.



Anyone watching this game could be forgiven for believing that Wigan are a thuggish side aided and abetted by dreadful refereeing.

Brown had the ball and dummied as Sutton put a legitimate hard tackle on him.

It was a shocking second half performance, the try just before half time gave Widnes confidence and was a big error from Burgess whose head is on bondi!



At present we seem struggling to play for more than 40 mins at the moment. which is a worry? Concentration levels / over confident????



A major concern to me (which i know others will not like) is Matty Smith.........he just never stamps his authority on a game and last night was a perfect example when Widnes went down to 12 men. Where did he go?

Smith needs to stand up and take more responsibility because Blake Green as gone and he cant leave it to Williams which in last couple of games I have watched he is doing, which as lead to fans concerns about Williams at 6.

I think he goes missing a lot especially when we are on the back foot and in the wrestle. He hides out wide when IMO he should be in the middle sorting the forwards out even more so with no micky mac last night.

I'm a Saints fan and I can see quite clearly that there was nothing wrong whatsoever with the Sutton tackle on Brown. It was a great hit.