He's been needed elsewhere when the first choice 6 and 13 were injured. Or injured himself.

I don't need it spelling out. If Whiting was a real standout 13 there were other option we could have taken is the last few seasons. Both Berrigan and Washbrook have played centre in order to cover injuries. We also had Graeme Horne playing centre and also got some games off the bench in the backrow.



The problem last season with Whiting not playing 13 was not about injuries no matter ho much you try and convince me. The problem was that Agar deemed that the extra forward in Radford was the way to go, wrongly imo.



But as I have said numerous times now, Whiting is a good utility player and does get asked to cover lots of areas, yet not the 13 role. That tells me something about what the coaches have seen in him and his ability to play there.



Should he have been given a go, definately. Will he next season? I very much doubt it, if it's not Washy then it will be a someone like Fitz or Radford, hell I even think Turner might be given a shot before Whiting.

In every instance?

Agree

It's about options. Whiting, as he showed, was easily the best option at full back (for example). So, to put him anywhere else would have been madness when we had no other options to replace him there. The vast, vast majority of the time, we haven't had better options for the position Whiting has been required to play.







But, you're just a fan on a message board. Agar [imust[/i be right. He must have seen something in training to convince him that Radford is a 13. Yes, that's what it'll be.









Radford shouldn't be in the 17 at all next season if we can help it. The fact that he will probably be selected for 13 ahead of Whiting doesn't make it right. Whatever the coach has seen in training.

I think he would have been given a chance to proove himself at 13 in the 2008 season had he not suffered a broken arm and then a broken leg.

He had trained preseason for a role in the forwards and was impressing there in King's testimonial against Huddersfield before breaking his arm.

The broken leg injury stopped him from having a pre season last year and I can only think this was the reason he wasn't given a shot at 13 last season because heavens the team was crying out for a ball player in the forwards.



If he has a good pre season this time I think he will probably get a shot at 13 next year although he is behind Washbrook in the pecking order. Hopefully we have seen the last of Radford at loose man. With the signings that have been made we don't need an extra prop any more.

The point is there have been plenty of times he could have played there under various coaches and he hasn't been picked there.



You're right I am just a fan and I therefore have an opinion on what I see. That said I expect Agar to know better as he sees the players train day in/out. Radford was probably the best forward to play 13 for that style of play, personally I wanted us to play more expansively.



Would not argue on the Radford point but I just don't see him getting dropped. Maybe he and Fitz starting in the backrow will be Agar's preferred choice with Washy at 13 and Manu off the bench. Just leaves nowhere for Tickle.

As is evident on here im probably Radfords biggest fan and i dont see him or Tickle getting in the 17 next season unless injuries happen. Depends i guess whether Agar sees Radders and Dowes as direct competition for a prop spot.

There hasn't, though. He's spent a whole season at centre, huge amounts of time out injured, then been moved about the place to cover every eventuality that seems to crop up. You could perhaps argue that there have been 'one or two' times he could have played there. You can't argue that there have been 'plenty', because that's just not true.

I remember Whiting playing LF against Saints a few seasons ago and he had a stormer. I always feel like were more of a threat with Whiting on the field.

Agar know best, please don't make me laugh.He's seen the players train for the last god knows how many years and as assistant and now as head coach, and all he's proved is that he's useless in tactics, team selection and motivation.

The times he was picked at centre he could have been picked at 13. I can argue about plenty of time cos there has been. This is now pointless as we don't agree. If he gets his chance then we will see how he does, I won't be holding my breathe though.