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| Quote JMR="JMR"I don't disagree with much of what you say.
Pearson is a skilled administrator no doubt, but he most certainly isn't the 'White-knight' some are making him out to be.
Unlike the likes of Hudgell, Moran, Davy, McManus, Hughes et al, Pearson is purely in the game for what he can get out - he will demand a significant return on his investment, whether that is through keeping profits or fattening the club up for a sale, ala what he did at City.
We all know he is taking over an under-performing club now but what happens if/when he helps it achieve it's maximum potential? Where is the investment opportunity for anyone else? With no benevolent oligarchs of Oil-rich Arabs likely to be interested, who can he sell it to?
Either he is just prepared to 'milk the cow' for all it's worth over the next few years by taking a couple of hundred grand profit out of the club (which I find hard to believe, given he usually plays to bigger stakes) or there is a hitherto unrevealed 'end game'.
All of which links him back to the Allam's and the KC Stadium plans!'"
I can smell the fear from here !
Pearson will not accept 8th place . Both Hull Clubs are average at best.
The only difference is now Hull FC have an owner who will sort it out. Rovers have not.
Adam Pearson taking over Hull FC was Hudgell`s worst nightmare.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"A few challenges on this.
1) The only suggestion that Pearson is a "white knight" is that he is providing fans with some element of hope and some stated lofty ambitions. If you can provide links of anyone on here suggesting he is in it for his love of the sport or the club, I'll give you a shiny penny.
2) You claim he is fattening the club up for a sale. The fans aren't stupid and will demand success, otherwise we'll remain at the dismal attendance levels of this year, ie 11,000 ish. He will therefore only achieve profits if he delivers on the pitch. There is no downside here. In doing so he creates a compelling investment for the next owner.
3) Your comparison with Hudgell is interesting. What Hudgell has done thus far from a financial perspective is to increase debt by upwards of £2m, and a business that's still some way from being self-sustaining. He's said he's not going to be there forever, as no board is. He's taking on more debt with the repayments required on the £2m North Stand should that ever go ahead. Is that a compelling investment for the next owner? Peversely Pearson's plan, whose motivation is purely financial, provides the better chance of future prosperity than Hudgell's, whose motivation is far more emotional. You talk as if underwriting a club ad infinitum is a good thing - my view is that in the short term it's comforting but in the long term may even be damaging. Where will Huddersfield Giants be when Ken Davy departs?
Hudgell will sell Hull KR one day, and has spoken of a finite 10 year reign. He may be gone before Pearson is from FC if that is the case. Neither of us knows who either will sell to, yet you suggest that Pearson creating a club that actually has some positive value in it is not a good thing. Personally I'd rather be in a position at that point to have a club with positive net assets and profitability potential as this will appeal to a broader audience of potential buyers than a club with net liabilities and a £2m debt on the North Stand; you may get lucky and have another rich(ish) Rovers fan to buy the club and continue a hand to mouth existence.
4) The Allams. Firstly, how are their detailed plans going down with council? I suggest that 1) They've not provided any because 2) they want the stadium for nowt to mortgage against on a commercial, rather than philanthropic so-called "Sporting Village", and 3) the council aren't very impressed. Rovers are more in bed with the Allams as FC as it stands. Should we read anything into that as you seem rather preoccupied with their position re FC rather than at Rovers? Odd.'"
I think thats whats known as being "owned"
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| Quote HFC Boy="HFC Boy"I can smell the fear from here !
Pearson will not accept 8th place . Both Hull Clubs are average at best.
The only difference is now Hull FC have an owner who will sort it out. Rovers have not.
Adam Pearson taking over Hull FC was Hudgell`s worst nightmare.'"
Certainly, there's only one owner in Hull that [ican[/i sort it out, if only from a financial aspect. Unless Allam buys Rovers.
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| Quote Robbo4="Robbo4"I think thats whats known as being "owned"'"
Don't think we'll be hearing from JMR for a bit. 
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| Quote Robbo4="Robbo4"I think thats whats known as being "owned"'"
Without lube.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"Don't think we'll be hearing from JMR for a bit.
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Indeed, slightly behind Zod in the "pwned" steaks.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"A few challenges on this.
1) The only suggestion that Pearson is a "white knight" is that he is providing fans with some element of hope and some stated lofty ambitions. If you can provide links of anyone on here suggesting he is in it for his love of the sport or the club, I'll give you a shiny penny.
2) You claim he is fattening the club up for a sale. The fans aren't stupid and will demand success, otherwise we'll remain at the dismal attendance levels of this year, ie 11,000 ish. He will therefore only achieve profits if he delivers on the pitch. There is no downside here. In doing so he creates a compelling investment for the next owner.
3) Your comparison with Hudgell is interesting. What Hudgell has done thus far from a financial perspective is to increase debt by upwards of £2m, and a
business that's still some way from being self-sustaining. He's said he's not going to be there forever, as no board is. He's taking on more debt with the
repayments required on the £2m North Stand should that ever go ahead. Is that a compelling investment for the next owner? Peversely Pearson's plan,
whose motivation is purely financial, provides the better chance of future prosperity than Hudgell's, whose motivation is far more emotional. You talk as if underwriting a club ad infinitum is a good thing - my view is that in the
short term it's comforting but in the long term may even be damaging. Where will Huddersfield Giants be when Ken Davy departs?
Hudgell will sell Hull KR one day, and has spoken of a finite 10 year reign. He
may be gone before Pearson is from FC if that is the case. Neither of us knows who either will sell to, yet you suggest that Pearson creating a club that actually has some positive value in it is not a good thing. Personally I'd rather
be in a position at that point to have a club with positive net assets and profitability potential as this will appeal to a broader audience of potential
buyers than a club with net liabilities and a £2m debt on the North Stand; you may get lucky and have another rich(ish) Rovers fan to buy the club and continue a hand to mouth existence.
4) The Allams. Firstly, how are their detailed plans going down with council? I suggest that 1) They've not provided any because 2) they want the stadiumfor nowt to mortgage against on a commercial, rather than philanthropic so-
called "Sporting Village", and 3) the council aren't very impressed. Rovers are
more in bed with the Allams as FC as it stands. Should we read anything into
that as you seem rather preoccupied with their position re FC rather than at
Rovers? Odd.'"
What I am saying is there are two types of owners in sport; Those who are guided by an emotional attachment to ONE specific club and are therefore prepared to effectively play the role of philanthropist.
Not ideal in the long-term I grant you, but fine as long as it lasts.
Then there are the cold, hard investors like Pearson - a man who would sell his grandmother if the price was right.
He's decided to buy into Hull FC...it could just of easily been Milton Keynes Dons, Salford Reds, Sheffield Steelers or Wasps RUFC...wherever he spotted most profit potential.
I don't honestly see what fixed assets Hull FC hold as a club at the moment, or what riches are on the horizon for RL as a sport, to constitute a lucrative 'end game'. Or are we simply expected to believe he is just buying into the club to 'milk' healthy dividends each year?
From what I personally know and have heard from various associates of Pearson, there has to be more in it for him...a hitherto unrevealed bigger picture.
Redevelopment of the Boulevard perhaps?
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| Quote JMR="JMR"What I am saying is...[Sniiiiiiiiiiiip'"
Worst trolling for a while (and you have some stiff competition).
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| Quote JMR="JMR"Redevelopment of the Boulevard perhaps?'"
How do you redevelope something that doesn't exist anymore?
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| Quote JMR="JMR"What I am saying is there are two types of owners in sport; Those who are guided by an emotional attachment to ONE specific club and are therefore prepared to effectively play the role of philanthropist.
[uNot ideal in the long-term I grant you, but fine as long as it lasts[/u.'" Disappointingly whilst you try to claim you want a sensible debate on the relative merits of an emotional or commerical owner of a club, the bit I've underlined is full evidence that you're ill-equipped to so. You admit that Hudgell's failure to run a self-sustaining business, and intention to take on a further £2m of debt, is "not ideal" in the long term but dismiss it as inconsequential. No administration lasts forever. Are you seriously suggesting that it's of no consequence that little progress is being made to prepare Rovers for its inevitable sale down the line? That as long as Hudgell is swaying about on top of bar stools and stopping clocks at 6.42 in the bar at Craven Park tomorrow will take care of itself. Forgive me, but you're simply in denial of long term consequences. Quote JMR="JMR"Then there are the cold, hard investors like Pearson - a man who would sell his grandmother if the price was right.
He's decided to buy into Hull FC...it could just of easily been Milton Keynes Dons, Salford Reds, Sheffield Steelers or Wasps RUFC...wherever he spotted most profit potential.'" Lucky us. You are confirming 2 things here: 1) Pearson knows a good opportunity when he sees one. and 2) Hull FC has a shedload of potential. Stadium? Check. Commercial infrastructure? Check. Fanbase? Check. On the pitch? Awful. But, relative to football, this last one is fairly cheap to fix for someone with a business head and modicum of ambition. Before Pearson's interest, FC were wallowing in mid-table mediocrity, a bit like Rovers over the past three seasons, hovering round mid table albeit with bigger crowds and making profits. He's seen that as a club we can realise more. Lucky us to be the recipients of his cash and business acumen. Quote JMR="JMR"
I don't honestly see what fixed assets Hull FC hold as a club at the moment, or what riches are on the horizon for RL as a sport, to constitute a lucrative 'end game'. Or are we simply expected to believe he is just buying into the club to 'milk' healthy dividends each year?'" FC made profits of £250k a year at one point when we had some success. You are saying that Pearson's agenda is not driven by FC making profits. I think you need to be clearer about what the conspiracy theory here is, exactly. You implied earlier that he is a pawn in the Allam's game to acquire the KC, but oddly failed to respond to my earlier question on how those plans are progressing with the stadium owners. Perhaps you missed it. How do you think that's going? Council engaged and ready to roll? I'd say, er, no. Quote JMR="JMR"
From what I personally know and have heard from various associates of Pearson, there has to be more in it for him...[ua hitherto unrevealed bigger picture.[/u
Redevelopment of the Boulevard perhaps?'" OK. So to be crystal clear, you are [unow[/u saying Pearson has spent £3m on the club, binned off coaching staff and players, brought in a DOR and sought-after new coach,and is talking up filling the KC and paying fees for players, on a sort of twisted route to the actual final destination, the supreme prize if you will, of relocating FC to a much smaller non existent ground in a residential area at the behest of the Allams. Introducing the Boulevard is a new line of argumentation, granted. Perhaps it's easier to fabricate this than address my own points on the Allams. Glad we got that cleared up. I do find it interesting, but entirely unsurprising that you have failed to address the key points. 1) No club stays in one ownership forever. To optimise the chances of re-sale, it's not a bad idea to build up a profitable business to make it a more compelling investment for the next incumbent. 2) Pearson's new broom has provided hope. More so than the previous regime. This is a good thing for the supporters, right? 3) You paint the spectre of the scheming Allams in the background, yet ignore my point that as it stands Rovers are more in bed with them than FC are.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Disappointingly whilst you try to claim you want a sensible debate on the relative merits of an emotional or commerical owner of a club, the bit I've underlined is full evidence that you're ill-equipped to so. You admit that Hudgell's failure to run a self-sustaining business, and intention to take on a further £2m of debt, is "not ideal" in the long term but dismiss it as inconsequential. No administration lasts forever. Are you seriously suggesting that it's of no consequence that little progress is being made to prepare Rovers for its inevitable sale down the line? That as long as Hudgell is swaying about on top of bar stools and stopping clocks at 6.42 in the bar at Craven Park tomorrow will take care of itself. Forgive me, but you're simply in denial of long term consequences. Lucky us. You are confirming 2 things here: 1) Pearson knows a good opportunity when he sees one. and 2) Hull FC has a shedload of potential. Stadium? Check. Commercial infrastructure? Check. Fanbase? Check. On the pitch? Awful. But, relative to football, this last one is fairly cheap to fix for someone with a business head and modicum of ambition. Before Pearson's interest, FC were wallowing in mid-table mediocrity, a bit like Rovers over the past three seasons, hovering round mid table albeit with bigger crowds and making profits. He's seen that as a club we can realise more. Lucky us to be the recipients of his cash and business acumen. FC made profits of £250k a year at one point when we had some success. You are saying that Pearson's agenda is not driven by FC making profits. I think you need to be clearer about what the conspiracy theory here is, exactly. You implied earlier that he is a pawn in the Allam's game to acquire the KC, but oddly failed to respond to my earlier question on how those plans are progressing with the stadium owners. Perhaps you missed it. How do you think that's going? Council engaged and ready to roll? I'd say, er, no.OK. So to be crystal clear, you are [unow[/u saying Pearson has spent £3m on the club, binned off coaching staff and players, brought in a DOR and sought-after new coach,and is talking up filling the KC and paying fees for players, on a sort of twisted route to the actual final destination, the supreme prize if you will, of relocating FC to a much smaller non existent ground in a residential area at the behest of the Allams. Introducing the Boulevard is a new line of argumentation, granted. Perhaps it's easier to fabricate this than address my own points on the Allams. Glad we got that cleared up. I do find it interesting, but entirely unsurprising that you have failed to address the key points. 1) No club stays in one ownership forever. To optimise the chances of re-sale, it's not a bad idea to build up a profitable business to make it a more compelling investment for the next incumbent. 2) Pearson's new broom has provided hope. More so than the previous regime. This is a good thing for the supporters, right? 3) You paint the spectre of the scheming Allams in the background, yet ignore my point that as it stands Rovers are more in bed with them than FC are.'" I think you're just being mean now, personally.
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| Quote east hull FC fan="east hull FC fan"I think you're just being mean now, personally.'"
I see JMR's been on this board for the last 15 minutes so can only guess he's creating a reply that addresses none of my points but suggests Pearson's actually being paid by the Allams to sell FC to Neil Hudgell with a 275 year lease at Costello with no planning consent for any more capacity ever. Diana was murdered too. FACT.
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