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| Quote FCFaithful Stu="FCFaithful Stu"Doesn't matter what he says, only FC fans will pay any attention to the fine detail. If you had a quick poll of 100 people in the city Centre this morning you will probably find only the diehard FC fans among them will have any sympathy for us.'"
You maybe right, i am open minded but there's still two sides to the story. No matter what the Allams say, it is so wrong charging for space to put pictures up in a public stadium.There are better ways to make cutbacks and raise extra revenue.
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| Quote jacko1="jacko1"The point you are missing is Like Hull Fc, Hull City could have renegotiated the deal like Hull Fc have done if they where unhappy with it'"
I am not missing that point, who says it has been renegotiated. You are taking Allam's word for that, remember renegotiation doesn't have to mean a net reduction, it could just be moving costs from one area to another. Do you really believe that the SMC said yes no problem you can pay less, whereas the other company we actually own still has to pay us the same amount, or worse cover the shortfall.
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| On the point about the Allams giving the SMC back, does anyone really beleive this as i ceretainly dont
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| Quote Bet Lynch="Bet Lynch"I am taking a direct quote from the press, FC knew last summer about the pictures and AP ordered the pictures to be taken down, I want to know why he did that?
People were furious when they thought Allam had just done it, my fury has not subsided just because I have found out it is our chairman who ordered them to be taken down.'"
And everything that gets printed in the HDM is always 100% accurate and true, right?
I say again - we're only getting one side of the story and from someone who has a vested interest in making AP look as bad as possible.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"And everything that gets printed in the HDM is always 100% accurate and true, right?
I say again - we're only getting one side of the story and from someone who has a vested interest in making AP look as bad as possible.'"
In all fairness he's doing a good job and AP's helping him!!
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| Quote Sebasteeno="Sebasteeno"On the point about the Allams giving the SMC back, does anyone really beleive this as i ceretainly dont'"
I imagine they're confident of the offer being turned down. But making the offer puts additional pressure on the Council to come up with an alternative solution.
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| Quote Smiggs="Smiggs"In all fairness he's doing a good job and AP's helping him!!'"
The timing of the other news is spectacularly bad, isn't it?
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| Quote FCFaithful Stu="FCFaithful Stu"But will you also acknowledge that the SMC being run by the Allam's raises questions about how fair and viable additional charges are to both parties, ie. FC and city, involved in the lease agreement. Do you recognise that a company owned by one party charging another company owned by the same party is just shuffling pennies around. whereas any charge made to FC is real and genuine income that has to be found from a revenue stream.'"
When the SMC was set up, it was to be jointly owned by the management of both clubs, but FC wouldn't pay their half of the costs, so it ended up being completely owned by the City management, who covered the costs in full(ironically, that was Adam Pearson).
As far as I'm aware there's no directors remuneration in the SMC accounts, so the money that goes in stays in, the Allam's don't take anything back out again, so the 'out of one pocket, into another' claim doesn't wash. If the council want to take control of the SMC, then they've just been invited to do so, but they won't because it loses money, which is the same reason no-one else will take it on either(the Allam's have this morning offered to make public every detail and agreement relating to the SMC accounts, they can do not more than this).
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"I imagine they're confident of the offer being turned down. But making the offer puts additional pressure on the Council to come up with an alternative solution.'" Like selling them the KC I would guess.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"And everything that gets printed in the HDM is always 100% accurate and true, right?
I say again - we're only getting one side of the story and from someone who has a vested interest in making AP look as bad as possible.'"
I said a couple of days ago that until the club respond we won't have the full picture. All we have are HDM assumptions and the Allams statement.
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| Quote Lambrettaman="Lambrettaman"As far as I'm aware there's no directors remuneration in the SMC accounts, so the money that goes in stays in, the Allam's don't take anything back out again, so the 'out of one pocket, into another' claim doesn't wash. If the council want to take control of the SMC, then they've just been invited to do so, but they won't because it loses money, which is the same reason no-one else will take it on either(the Allam's have this morning offered to make public every detail and agreement relating to the SMC accounts, they can do not more than this).'"
Directors remuneration isn't the only way to move money between companies owned by the same directors. You need to ask why there was around twice as much cash in the bank as there were posted losses in both years since the Allams took over, and what happened to that cash from one year to the next.
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| Quote Lambrettaman="Lambrettaman"When the SMC was set up, it was to be jointly owned by the management of both clubs, but FC wouldn't pay their half of the costs, so it ended up being completely owned by the City management, who covered the costs in full(ironically, that was Adam Pearson).
As far as I'm aware there's no directors remuneration in the SMC accounts, so the money that goes in stays in, the Allam's don't take anything back out again, so the 'out of one pocket, into another' claim doesn't wash. If the council want to take control of the SMC, then they've just been invited to do so, but they won't because it loses money, which is the same reason no-one else will take it on either(the Allam's have this morning offered to make public every detail and agreement relating to the SMC accounts, they can do not more than this).'"
That would be the SMC accounts that since the Allams took over haven't been fully disclosed. Now if they open the agreement and accounts for all to see I will willingly accept I am wrong if it is found that they are run as independent parties.
I know the SMC was meant to be a joint venture, the fact FC never got on board is ridiculous and yet another failing of the old regime.
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| Quote Anakin Skywalker="Anakin Skywalker"Like selling them the KC I would guess.'"
I'm sure that's at the root of all this.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"And everything that gets printed in the HDM is always 100% accurate and true, right?
I say again - we're only getting one side of the story and from someone who has a vested interest in making AP look as bad as possible.'"
I did not sense that the ultimate goal of that article was to make AP look bad, nor am I looking at this with rose tinted glasses. AP told smc to take the picture down I want to know why and shall be sending an e-mail like I did to all the Councillors etc earlier in the week when I like many others assumed it was down to the Allams.
If AP felt it was not in the best interest for the club not to pay the few hundred quid he should have told the fans why he had taken this decision, he now has to do that imo
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